Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'cool.': 0.09; 'firewall': 0.09; 'keystrokes': 0.09; 'am,': 0.13; 'gui': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.15; '-tkc': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'message-id:@tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'rantingrick': 0.16; 'received:70.251': 0.16; 'received:dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:swbell.net': 0.16; 'reconfigure': 0.16; 'replaces': 0.16; 'screen,': 0.16; 'case.': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'possibly': 0.16; 'wrote': 0.21; 'input': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.22; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'monitor': 0.23; 'runs': 0.23; '(my': 0.25; '(or': 0.25; 'ago': 0.25; 'preferred': 0.25; 'thu,': 0.28; 'script': 0.29; 'awesome': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; '(just': 0.30; 'actions.': 0.30; 'cases.': 0.30; 'config': 0.30; 'setup,': 0.30; 'vast': 0.30; 'wraps': 0.30; 'least': 0.31; 'changes': 0.31; 'chris': 0.32; 'cases': 0.32; 'necessary.': 0.32; 'it.': 0.33; 'actually': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'it?': 0.34; 'there': 0.34; 'majority': 0.34; 'post': 0.34; 'app': 0.35; 'starting': 0.35; 'that,': 0.35; 'visible': 0.35; 'actual': 0.35; 'anything': 0.37; 'corner': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'signal': 0.38; 'somewhat': 0.38; 'text,': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'room': 0.38; 'run': 0.39; 'launch': 0.39; 'skip:s 20': 0.39; 'goes': 0.39; 'might': 0.39; 'skip:d 20': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'agreed': 0.40; 'period': 0.61; 'back': 0.63; 'manager.': 0.64; 'subject:!': 0.67; 'mouse': 0.67; 'utilities': 0.67; 'dead': 0.80; 'programs,': 0.80; '11:24': 0.84; 'awesome!': 0.84; 'hook': 0.84; 'injection': 0.84; 'watches': 0.84; 'window,': 0.84; 'windows)': 0.84; 'wow': 0.84; 'regret': 0.91 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:37:39 -0500 From: Tim Chase User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Angelico Subject: Re: Implicit initialization is EVIL! References: <97dc7iF9eiU1@mid.individual.net> <78624344-9696-42c9-9ed8-9454c55c1d9f@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <97ga0jFq2lU1@mid.individual.net> <4e131ef7$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4e133509$0$12858$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <999dd05c-cae5-4c86-8ee7-6e1d6116d2ed@gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <97icm3Ft0eU1@mid.individual.net> <4e147207$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1309973871 news.xs4all.nl 21840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48095 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:8962 On 07/06/2011 11:24 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:10 AM, rantingrick wrote: >> Wow nice corner case. Can you come up with at least five of them >> though? You and I both know that the vast majority of GUI's require >> visible windows. > > Five corner cases. Okay. One is xkill; if I can find four more, we run > out of corners and they're not corner cases any more - is that it? > > 1) See above. > 2) Win2VNC. Doesn't actually paint a window on the screen, it just > watches where the mouse goes - move the mouse off the edge of the > screen, and it wraps and hides it. Very cool. > 3) Firewall software with a graphical config notebook. I think > ZoneAlarm actually just hides its window, but that's not strictly > necessary. (My preferred firewall setup, though, has no GUI at all - > iptables etc is all I need.) > 4) Clipboard Converter. An old app that I wrote a while ago that, > whenever you copy anything to the clipboard, runs it through a script > and puts the result back on the clipboard. Handier than you might > think. > 5) Hotkey manager. It watches for keystrokes and replaces them with > other actions. Implemented as an input hook with injection facilities. 6) possibly xneko (just mouse-cursor amusements) 7) screen-shot/print-screen software (several such as "scrot" don't have an actual window, just a process that interacts with the other windows) 8) AutoHotkey and other keystroke-monitors (or mouse-gesture-monitors) to expand text, send key-sequences, launch programs, reconfigure windows, signal changes in display-configuration, etc 9) other clipboard utilities such as xclip or multi-clipboard functionality 10) DPMI screen-savers (that only listen for key/mouse activity and send a blank-screen signal to the monitor after a given period of inactivity) I think there are sufficiently many edge cases this formerly-square room is starting to look round... > I regret that I am now in the position of following an awesome post > with a somewhat mediocre one. Steven, the Dead Window Sketch is > awesome! agreed :) -tkc