Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.025 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'references.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'objects.': 0.16; 'too?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'feb': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'references': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'handled': 0.32; 'themselves': 0.32; 'objects': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'object,': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'refer': 0.63; 'clearer': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=nSU4K9UGZ29hvQ6hkCYx7sWYi5maouBG8xqBapBoRFw=; b=u1tMSUzVlikX8omZ4CmSOltxeJRkSINn4Kx3vEpRIu2tetm6m8UHGzrYlKIBNn1/qM k3gNupevduBeXR0ewTPdue9XNV72lmttxo3uVw+ghmhuzDveYArsiwYqaVEZ10BGPTcM cpacWniqrV/wXjF39QATpuaY1G6A+UAPMN4blrmmEliiZtZBMVfCpr8vFOn4XVMRPMWQ 1mYVR8eUwtrRfms7bMlzYxkFwQWwgWvwb+5mz+nFxcGZhoT+Pd7BtyPJYqYY/y1yqaJZ Ui3F3NsMHkV2CVADxH3PdHcQr2uK/TpZxLEYg1ZEwLD3VY73Iksg1P/Ia05z/DeTC7xd Y/tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.255.101 with SMTP id ap5mr22736845pbd.41.1392591746342; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:02:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <13208de8-0f85-4e60-b059-dc087c8fda41@googlegroups.com> <52fefccc$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52ff0dc5$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:02:26 +1100 Subject: Re: Explanation of list reference From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392591754 news.xs4all.nl 2868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.franciliens.net!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66569 On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Because everything in Python is an object, and objects always are >> handled by their references. > > > So, we have objects... and we have > references to objects... but everything is an object... > so does that mean references are objects too? > References aren't themselves objects. Names, attributes, etc, etc, etc, all refer to objects. Is it clearer to use the verb "refer" rather than the noun "reference"? ChrisA