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From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Explanation of list reference
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:10:57 -0500
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:28:34 -0700, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>On Feb 16, 2014 1:11 AM, "Marko Rauhamaa" <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
>>
>> Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>:
>>
>> > Conceptually, the "everything is a reference" and the "small"/"big"
>> > distinction are equivalent (produce the same outcomes). The question
>> > is, which model is easier for a beginner to grasp.
>>
>> Case in point, if everything is a reference, how come:
>>
>>    >>> "hello".__str__()
>>    'hello'
>>    >>> 1.__str__()
>>    SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>You need parentheses around the 1. Otherwise you confuse the lexer, which
>thinks you're starting a float literal.
>
>>>> (1).__str__()
>'1'

	Don't even need the parens...

>>> 1 .__str__()
'1'
>>> 
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