Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeder2.ecngs.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'guido': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'extent': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'splitting': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'thread': 0.10; 'python': 0.10; 'python.': 0.11; 'jan': 0.11; 'volunteer': 0.11; 'discussions': 0.15; 'different,': 0.16; 'grant.': 0.16; 'june.': 0.16; 'labelled': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'rejected.': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'url:thread': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'versions': 0.20; 'fit': 0.23; 'nearly': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'mostly': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'itself,': 0.29; 'actively': 0.30; 'mention': 0.30; 'topics': 0.30; 'post': 0.31; 'core': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'quickly': 0.34; 'that,': 0.34; 'list': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'too': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'beyond': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'more': 0.63; 'better.': 0.66; 'teaching': 0.69; 'million': 0.74; 'are)': 0.84; 'hostile': 0.84; 'protest': 0.84; 'veered': 0.84; 'attitude': 0.91; 'average.': 0.91; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 02:44:08 -0400 References: <7083e494-6192-4acb-aea9-216d858171bc@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <7083e494-6192-4acb-aea9-216d858171bc@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437288276 news.xs4all.nl 2936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:32977 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94101 On 7/18/2015 11:52 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Not to mention actively hostile attitude to discussions that could at the > moment be tangential to current CPython. See (and whole thread) > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-May/033708.html Rustom, I think this is grossly unfair. Python-ideas was started by Guido as a forum for ideas about *future* versions of Python. Your post was about teaching Python,which is something different, as are lost of other Python-related topics. It would have fit either this list or edu-sig better. Your post https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-May/033661.html started a thread with nearly 40 responses, which is far more than average. Thou doth protest too much. This https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-May/thread.html#33672 is the list for May; there might be a few more in June. To the extent that you were (vaguely) proposing a change to core python itself, by splitting it up into 'teachpacks' (whatever those are) and 'concentric rings', the idea was quickly rejected. It is too specialized, being aimed as one use, and impractically complicated for a mostly volunteer development group. It is the sort of thing one might do with a $5 million grant. Beyond that, the thread veered ogf onto topics that even you labelled off-topic. Yes, we are hostile to prolonged off-topic discussions. They detract from the purpose of the list. -- Terry Jan Reedy