Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'memory.': 0.05; 'claimed': 0.07; 'units.': 0.09; 'stack': 0.13; 'apps': 0.15; 'argument': 0.15; 'subsequent': 0.15; '(there': 0.16; '49,': 0.16; 'assembly,': 0.16; 'calculator': 0.16; 'cool.': 0.16; 'emulator': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'play.': 0.16; 'stack;': 0.16; 'subject:assistance': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'result,': 0.18; 'runs': 0.18; 'arm': 0.22; 'bit': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'equivalent': 0.27; 'entries': 0.27; 'interface': 0.29; 'regular': 0.29; '50,': 0.29; 'closer': 0.29; 'convert': 0.29; 'compared': 0.30; 'operations': 0.31; 'implement': 0.32; 'knows': 0.32; 'etc.)': 0.32; 'useful': 0.33; 'though.': 0.33; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.34; '(for': 0.34; 'running': 0.34; 'list': 0.34; 'basis.': 0.35; 'level': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'faster': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'data': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'ever': 0.60; 'subject:Need': 0.61; 'real': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'course': 0.62; 'boss': 0.66; 'brain': 0.66; 'debate': 0.66; 'day': 0.67; 'phone': 0.68; 'prime': 0.72; 'battery': 0.84; 'bypasses': 0.84; 'processor.': 0.84; 'saturn': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'good,': 0.93 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 20:46:18 -0600 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Need assistance References: <225d4ac6-3b88-4844-805b-b4b00cd62ef4@googlegroups.com> <55AA2BDE.6050605@web.de> of "Sat 18 Jul 2015 12:35:10 +0200." <55AA2BDE.6050605@web.de> <201507181216.t6ICGBrY022256@fido.openend.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437273990 news.xs4all.nl 2827 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59064 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94084 On 07/18/2015 03:44 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > The new units (HP28, 48, 49, 50, etc.) no longer use the 4-register > stack; the stack is whatever is available in memory. As a result, the Roll > instructions now need an argument for how many stack entries are in play. > > The HP50g has a bit of a sluggish response compared to the 48sx [which > is not equivalent to a 48g]. Might be since the 48sx is still a SATURN > hardware processor. The 50g is an underclocked (for battery life) ARM, > running a SATURN emulator, with the emulator running the RPL/RPN user > interface (there are packages that let one program in SYSRPL [which > bypasses all the user level data checks, so if one knows the data on the > stack is good, one can speed up subsequent operations], SATURN assembly, > AND ARM assembly). > > For $20 or so one can get the HP Prime as an Android app. My list of must-have android apps on my phone and tablet include Droid48, which is an android port of X48. Runs the original firmware and everything. Works very well for me. Of course I also use my real HP 48 on regular basis. The poor thing is 20 years old now but still the most useful calculator I've ever owned. I get lost on calculators without a stack and RPN. Had a debate with m boss over RPN though. He claimed it was just HP's engineers being lazy. For me RPN on a stack is faster for me than a normal calculator because it's closer to how my brain does math--you have to manually do order of operations on paper. Just the other day I learned how to implement custom units on my hp 48 and have them automatically convert to other units. Very cool.