Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'tutorial': 0.03; 'beginner': 0.05; '"if': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '"it\'s': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'long,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; 'accidentally': 0.31; 'asks': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'trouble': 0.34; 'common': 0.35; 'anybody': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'ryan': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'saves': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'skip:& 20': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'valuable': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'targeted': 0.69; 'invited': 0.85; 'wait,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=+Bp8tJcGogjGPMw8NqOzjPHMxFrWQrK4M0hEGpVOP2M=; b=MXwfK2x2b2WQqZ4YWrl51baEiOfPVKLhca79bRDbcIIZQgG67MqzV8k+ojZ00qyZPH EgJLHMfuN7cRXlMD9S9Nyv5UwmtRVP/O/k7Zk3eP845EHlD2f5HcMOd+JdPQFhRmvH6m Y4RnIctVdCdJDCm1Xk4tvqA76KNVN9UffjyV1meaG5/cH55wPg8st9xcuGi7Soc5yylL 3ZD4Q0KHNA00f1aAl50jKJVHE/R/uyjqb92SuI2RAOomEgf+fSP/L3lmgy/e/wg5LNlc +9yXpgJKpBMVnTlcD7a9DCol6M1Wbc1xWdGebu2trn/Q1ON3OR019sjHVabbOKQJZFSc rsTw== X-Received: by 10.195.13.17 with SMTP id eu17mr8564811wjd.24.1392429509144; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <85zjlu7bou.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <8a78be96-7d26-47ff-9627-246d85410cd2@googlegroups.com> <52FD4C40.9050001@gmail.com> <85zjlu7bou.fsf@benfinney.id.au> From: Ryan Gonzalez Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:58:09 -0600 Subject: Re: How to begin To: Ben Finney Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd91a7a44759604f2684260 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 91 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392429511 news.xs4all.nl 2870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39774 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66348 --047d7bd91a7a44759604f2684260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ack, I meant that, not the whole reference. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Ryan Gonzalez writes: > > > Read the Python reference. I know it's long, but it saves you trouble > > of accidentally reinventing the wheel. > > Hmm, the language reference is targeted at people *implementing* Python, > not people who are learning to use it (though it is valuable for them > also). It would be rather overwhelming for a beginner, IMO. > > You should instead be directing newcomers to beginner documentation, > such as and especially > the Python tutorial . > > -- > \ "If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up | > `\ nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity | > _o__) 'happen.'" --Jack Handey | > Ben Finney > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Ryan If anybody ever asks me why I prefer C++ to C, my answer will be simple: "It's becauseslejfp23(@#Q*(E*EIdc-SEGFAULT. Wait, I don't think that was nul-terminated." --047d7bd91a7a44759604f2684260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ack, I meant that, not the whole reference.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 a= t 6:57 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> = wrote:
Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19@gmail.com> writes:

> Read the Python reference. I know it's long, but it saves you trou= ble
> of accidentally reinventing the wheel.

Hmm, the language reference is targeted at people *implementing* Pyth= on,
not people who are learning to use it (though it is valuable for them
also). It would be rather overwhelming for a beginner, IMO.

You should instead be directing newcomers to beginner documentation,
such as <URL:https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide> and espe= cially
the Python tutorial <URL:http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/>.

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 \          “If you get invited to your= first orgy, don't just show up |
  `\             nude. That's a comm= on mistake. You have to let nudity |
_o__)                    =                     &nbs= p;‘happen.’” —Jack Handey |
Ben Finney

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https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list



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Ryan
If anybody ever asks me why I prefer C++ to = C, my answer will be simple: "It's becauseslejfp23(@#Q*(E*EIdc-SEG= FAULT. Wait, I don't think that was nul-terminated."

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