Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'languages.': 0.04; 'third-party': 0.04; 'subject:Open': 0.05; 'duplicate': 0.07; 'deploy': 0.09; 'high-level': 0.09; 'subject:Source': 0.09; 'developer': 0.10; 'language,': 0.12; '(there': 0.16; 'builders': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'app': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'platforms': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'source': 0.25; 'developers': 0.25; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'extension': 0.26; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'andrew': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'app.': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'node': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'doubt': 0.36; 'installing': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; '(from': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'guarantee': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'article': 0.77; 'compiles': 0.84; 'easier,': 0.84; "everything's": 0.84; 'on?': 0.91; 'serious': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vKnUYwLj/iEB7N4Xg1x5PNavwW0hBMeo+7J7NVirg4s=; b=iyVBweDX1k8VELThzQR12rx8Qnl5Nrl8P4wS6rEHGqQR/p7HgeJ1XIfJfqThLivt/t 7bpKdQwNJ2HDTBEh+gjhjkdJ+aqr81/GGYrIycwCI5XYC420z0fZLvO7YuNzMUNK0O/e MDR4Chpr+wqtGpQaGXT+kXIco/+7AL6LL5c5rWTjTBtWtvUKO4lx2tLLpUrAlusAgKPa 8lvh2IkJmGqyfrCu484iFg4i5KfSECGqRPIHIiZOcMH3/erH1RmkqTevgKcFmm0e7cUN b4VAQCEDP9QD5aea7nsu6o00z/Q4eWMbMii2B7NMgI3NjDvs0dlvegG8OjAWuISrnsMS xvpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.91.230 with SMTP id ch6mr2469176vdb.42.1366151185008; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <516D815C.6080903@gmail.com> References: <516D815C.6080903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:26:24 +1000 Subject: Re: The node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366151187 news.xs4all.nl 2631 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55288 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43708 On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2013.04.16 11:02, Rodrick Brown wrote: >> I came across this article which sums up some of the issues I have with modern programming languages. I've never really looked at Javascript >> for anything serious or Node itself but I found this article really informational. > > With third-party libraries everywhere, there can easily be duplicate functionality where there doesn't need to be (there could > be silly bikeshed issues or perhaps one developer simply doesn't know about the other project). Or, since developers don't know about everything that's available, they hand-roll equivalent functionality directly into the application, instead of using a library/module. One of the problems I had installing a Ruby app was that some of the dependencies weren't as tidily packaged as could be hoped. I had to fidget with them to make them build on my system (from C source), which is something that doesn't particularly bother me (I install stuff from source all the time), but it did make it rather harder to deploy the app. Having a larger standard library guarantees that they'll all work on all formally-supported platforms. Are third-party extension builders going to guarantee that their code compiles on platforms they can't test on? I doubt it. Now maybe that's not an issue with node.js (if everything's written in the high-level language, platform support is easier, even trivial), but it certainly would be for Python. ChrisA