Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'tutorial': 0.03; 'beginner': 0.05; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'finney': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'long,': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'accidentally': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'trouble': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'ryan': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'saves': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'valuable': 0.63; 'targeted': 0.69; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: How to begin Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 03:55:22 -0500 References: <8a78be96-7d26-47ff-9627-246d85410cd2@googlegroups.com> <52FD4C40.9050001@gmail.com> <85zjlu7bou.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 In-Reply-To: <85zjlu7bou.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392368158 news.xs4all.nl 2863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54041 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66289 On 2/13/2014 7:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Ryan Gonzalez writes: > >> Read the Python reference. I know it's long, but it saves you trouble >> of accidentally reinventing the wheel. > > Hmm, the language reference is targeted at people *implementing* Python, This is the first time I have read that. It is definitely aimed at users who have already ready the tutorial and need the information that is not in the tutorial. > not people who are learning to use it (though it is valuable for them > also). It would be rather overwhelming for a beginner, IMO. > > You should instead be directing newcomers to beginner documentation, > such as and especially > the Python tutorial . > -- Terry Jan Reedy