Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'attribute': 0.07; 'e.g.,': 0.07; 'descriptor': 0.09; 'descriptors': 0.09; 'question?': 0.09; 'to:name:python list': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; 'descriptors.': 0.16; 'fruit': 0.16; 'hypothetical': 0.16; 'obj,': 0.16; 'val': 0.16; 'examples': 0.16; 'instance': 0.18; 'subject:Questions': 0.18; "doesn't": 0.22; 'frequent': 0.23; 'subject:use': 0.24; 'classes': 0.26; 'variable': 0.28; 'bit': 0.28; "i'm": 0.28; 'fine.': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'example': 0.29; 'print': 0.29; 'seem': 0.29; 'zero.': 0.30; 'does': 0.32; 'this.': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'it.': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'none': 0.35; 'things': 0.35; 'question': 0.36; 'class.': 0.37; 'created': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'another': 0.37; 'skip:_ 10': 0.38; 'uses': 0.38; 'getting': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; "i'd": 0.39; 'change': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'more': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'property': 0.63; 'note:': 0.69; 'divided': 0.73; 'god': 0.79; "driver's": 0.84; 'flies': 0.84; 'me!': 0.84; 'stranger': 0.84; 'holes': 0.91; '000': 0.93 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:32:14 -0400 From: "Steven W. Orr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python list Subject: Questions about the use of descriptors. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1331832740 news.xs4all.nl 6857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60522 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:21696 Question 1: I have a class A with one attribute and I define __get__ and __set__ for that class. Then I create another class B that uses it. Why does B require that the instance of A be a class variable in B and not created as an instance variable in __init__? E.g., # This works fine. class Truth(object): def __init__(self): self.is_slave = False def __get__(self, obj, objtype): return self.is_slave def __set__(self, obj, val): if not self.is_slave and val: self.is_slave = val class TruthHolder(object): IsSlave = Truth() def set_truth(self): self.IsSlave = True tt = TruthHolder() print tt.IsSlave tt.IsSlave = True print tt.IsSlave tt.IsSlave = False print tt.IsSlave But if I change TruthHolder to not start as a class variable class TruthHolder(object): def __init__(self): self.IsSlave = Truth() def set_truth(self): self.IsSlave = True it doesn't seem to use descriptor methods of Truth. It's just using the default setter and getter of TruthHolder. Question2: Is it the case that people only use descriptors for classes with single attributes? Or is it more frequent that descriptors are used with classes that have multiple attributes? I feel like this is powerful juju, but I'm not getting when I should be using property and when I should be using descriptors. General note: I see really simple examples in my searches, but I'd like to see a good practical example that has just a bit more meat on it. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net