Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'permission.': 0.07; 'subject:license': 0.07; 'derived': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'subject:version': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.15; 'applies': 0.15; 'explicitly': 0.15; 'output': 0.15; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:games': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'subject:need': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'thanks,': 0.19; 'portion': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'subject:release': 0.22; 'suppose': 0.22; 'posted': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'example': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'converting': 0.27; "i'm": 0.29; 'convert': 0.29; 'allows': 0.30; 'comments': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'computing': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'michael': 0.33; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'law,': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'really': 0.35; 'skip:o 20': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'basic': 0.36; 'depends': 0.36; 'agree': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.39; 'url:en': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mark': 0.40; 'subject:the': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'claim': 0.61; 'video': 0.61; 'url:co': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'license': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'results': 0.66; 'fall': 0.66; 'legal': 0.66; 'link:': 0.69; 'online': 0.71; 'book.': 0.72; 'url:htm': 0.73; 'country': 0.74; '*online': 0.84; 'claim.': 0.84; 'games.': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'underneath': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Do I need license to release the Python version of old BASIC games? Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 23:35:03 +0100 References: <5587115E.30703@cdreimer.com> <87r3p4ok2d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <5587320E.3050105@cdreimer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-20-168.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <5587320E.3050105@cdreimer.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434926119 news.xs4all.nl 2933 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47638 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92983 On 21/06/2015 22:52, C.D. Reimer wrote: > > > On 6/21/2015 1:58 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Converting BASIC games to Python results in derived works, which are >> under the original copyright of the BASIC games. >> >> From the given link: >> >> BASIC Computer Games is copyright © 1978 by David H. Ahl, and is >> posted onwww.atariarchives.org with permission. Do not redistribute, >> mirror, or copy this online book. >> >> So a license from David H. Ahl is required before publishing Python >> translations. > > The copyright applies to the book ("Do not redistribute, mirror, or copy > this *online book*.") and any derivative work is based on the book. > Using the video output from the BASIC games in the book could fall > underneath the fair use provision, which allows me to use a small > portion of the book without infringing on the copyright. I'm not > publishing a book. I just want to put my code on a website as an > educational example of what I did to convert a spaghetti language into a > modern scripting language. > > Thanks, > > Chris R. > Regarding fair use I suppose it depends on which country you're (plural) in. From http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p22_derivative_works.en.htm Can I claim that my copy is fair use/fair dealing, or de minimis? Unless your activities are explicitly allowed under law, there is no solid legal footing for such a claim. Having said that I agree with Michael Torrie's earlier comments so I suggest you get on with it, noting at the same time that my legal skills are nowhere near as good as my computing skills, which is really saying something :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence