Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.159 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.68; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'wed,': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'bieber': 0.16; 'declaimed': 0.16; 'directions.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'pm,': 0.16; 'programming': 0.18; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.19; 'received:mail- iy0-f174.google.com': 0.19; 'language': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.22; '(or': 0.25; "i'm": 0.27; 'work.': 0.28; 'language.': 0.28; 'lee': 0.28; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'chris': 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'things': 0.34; "isn't": 0.35; 'aspect': 0.37; 'pull': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'two': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'plain': 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'waiting': 0.62; 'vision': 0.63; 'making': 0.66; 'subject:!': 0.67; 'decision,': 0.67; 'mandate': 0.67; 'selected': 0.68; 'subject:The': 0.73; 'million': 0.75; 'dennis': 0.77; 'ceremony': 0.84; 'cobol': 0.84; 'democracy': 0.84; 'democracy,': 0.84; 'subject:come': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Ln45QfEef7tKyVXRQEYym+pROEiEm7h9vwkf+H+4Gk=; b=uatsPSMzz9cPJXIziYjxmh8ShDZyVdnl+8j1Kkih+s8HVDZXhzjYOuCMWxrJTYRdXp r1N4X2lXKtuos0dMiw7Z3yvFxaarL6Xdaw7hNhPAqJ28vRP/nGXMk8YDF058dTmDOVvF 7+lBnNi3N+PnnEhXmTbW9dQ/8Pe5wY1fdyZtk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <97a7q6FtqcU1@mid.individual.net> <6a9373cd-4b27-447a-8be4-db74effde338@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> <61329ec7-da3e-49fe-bf25-3c179dc8cd2c@j14g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <05c559ee-983d-414b-a499-5e675e6592c7@5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4e124b92$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:47:05 +1000 Subject: Re: The end to all language wars and the great unity API to come! From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1309931228 news.xs4all.nl 21828 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47424 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:8901 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber w= rote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:31:02 +1000, Chris Angelico > declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: >> Democracy DOES NOT WORK. Plain and simple. You cannot build a >> programming language democratically. >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Uhm... COBOL and Ada may be close... They were committee/c= ompetition > where the best (compromise) aspect was selected for inclusion... And are they what you would call good languages? A committee isn't the same as democracy, although it is related. If you have two people making a decision, you potentially pull things in two directions. If you have two million people making a decision, you tear it to pieces. Vision for a language (or any other project) cannot come from a mandate from the masses. I'm waiting for my aquatic ceremony before I start building a language. ChrisA