Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '(i.e.,': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'typing': 0.05; 'though.': 0.07; 'typed': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; '21,': 0.09; 'contexts': 0.09; 'etc.),': 0.09; 'not?': 0.09; 'subject:tutorial': 0.09; 'weak': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; '>>>': 0.12; 'interfaces': 0.12; 'described': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '"copyright",': 0.16; '"credits"': 0.16; '"license"': 0.16; "'int'": 0.16; '4.3.4': 0.16; '[gcc': 0.16; 'cygwin': 0.16; 'false:': 0.16; 'iterable,': 0.16; 'iterator,': 0.16; 'objects)': 0.16; 'received:10.2': 0.16; 'traceback': 0.16; '(most': 0.16; 'input': 0.18; 'interface': 0.20; '(which': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'file,': 0.22; 'specified': 0.22; 'thu,': 0.22; '(though': 0.23; 'integer': 0.23; 'last):': 0.23; 'objects': 0.24; 'implementing': 0.25; 'chris': 0.27; 'string': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'explicitly': 0.29; 'themselves.': 0.29; 'variables': 0.29; 'work:': 0.29; 'probably': 0.30; '---': 0.31; '"+"': 0.31; 'operand': 0.31; 'typeerror:': 0.31; 'it.': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'implemented': 0.33; "isn't": 0.34; 'skip:" 10': 0.34; 'difference': 0.35; 'file': 0.35; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.35; '"",': 0.35; 'allow': 0.36; 'apr': 0.38; 'feels': 0.38; 'languages': 0.38; 'pretty': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'strong': 0.39; 'php': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'works': 0.40; 'database,': 0.60; 'best': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'browser': 0.64; 'kinds': 0.67; 'subject:online': 0.77; 'schrieb': 0.84; 'type(s)': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=modelnine.org; s=modelnine1012; t=1303371048; bh=/Et/OT3IHtqTwA4YOzh4N0JP/yg4aWgp2op+rJeSiF0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m7L+8aG+mS1dD/a4Tptkqk6ZDbXEq9lNBfoV5Drgnbla5ZIeY5f5xiUKff+JQe2/k ElZUKC60BRXG3C6fAeoam6hZtzT715aaxgFwoLUJWmcKHFwV9K3kwYhESVOXqJyP3n 7HdZITNmJ3h9IyQ//IJ5Fy4wWyE6JWEdhEoo6yV8= Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:30:45 +0200 From: Heiko Wundram User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: learnpython.org - an online interactive Python tutorial References: <506eb5e4-4f29-473a-8d47-2082322e005e@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> <201104211710.19587.akabaila@pcug.org.au> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303371055 news.xs4all.nl 81478 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:34947 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3773 Am 21.04.2011 09:19, schrieb Chris Angelico: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Algis Kabaila wrote: >> False: Python IS strongly typed, without doubt (though the >> variables are not explicitly declared.) > > Strongly duck-typed though. If I create a class that has all the right > members, it can simultaneously be a file, an iterable, a database, and > probably even a web browser if it feels like it. Is that strong typing > or not? Yes, that's strong typing, because your class only works in those contexts that you "explicitly" allow it to work in (through implementing an interface, be it an iterator, a file, etc.), independent of "duck-typing" (which is pretty much described by the term interface-based typing IMHO). The difference between strong typing and weak typing is best described by: Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Jun 12 2010, 17:07:01) [GCC 4.3.4 20090804 (release) 1] on cygwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> 1+'2' Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'int' and 'str' >>> which means that the interface for implementing "+" on the input types "int" and "str" isn't implemented (i.e., TypeError). Weakly typed languages allow this to work: modelnine@gj-celle ~ $ php 3 modelnine@gj-celle ~ $ through all kinds of type-casting magic, which isn't explicitly specified as interfaces on the objects (PHP also has integer and string objects) themselves. -- --- Heiko.