Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.081 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.84; '*S*': 0.00; 'fixes': 0.07; 'responding': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'wednesday,': 0.07; 'bye.': 0.09; 'learn,': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; 'works.': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'subject:Help': 0.11; 'attempted': 0.16; 'conformance': 0.16; 'manner,': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'initial': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.30; '13,': 0.31; 'helpful.': 0.31; 'responded': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; '-----': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'board': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'policies': 0.36; 'programming,': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'subject:': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'times': 0.62; 're:': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'news': 0.67; 'yes': 0.68; 'caused': 0.69; 'friendly': 0.72; 'manner': 0.72; 'manner.': 0.74; 'subject.': 0.74; 'emails.': 0.78; 'lack': 0.78; 'attitude,': 0.84; 'newcomer': 0.84; 'spite': 0.84; 'corporations': 0.91; 'edwards': 0.91; 'novice': 0.91 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at okbu-p03.merit.edu Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:22:51 -0500 (EST) From: Walter Hughey To: Chris Angelico In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Newcomer Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [164.58.89.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.0_GA_2669 (ZimbraWebClient - GC32 (Win)/7.2.0_GA_2669) Cc: Python-List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392304979 news.xs4all.nl 2907 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38445 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66184 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Angelico" Cc: "Python-List" Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:22:57 PM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Tim Delaney wrote: > On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I've always worked in corporations where the email "culture" is the >> Microsoft-induced "lazy and stupid" style as you describe. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I am addressing this to the entire site - I thinks. And this will be my final answer on this subject. It remains to be seen if I remain on this site or tell all good bye. For the most part, the few people who responded have responded in a polite manner, in an attempt to help me understand how this site works. And I have tried to fall into line when responding to emails. It probably appeared to some I was not trying to get on board but this is a significant change to the 20+years of my being involved in emails. And yes Gisle Vanem, in spite of your doubts, I have been involved in emails in excess of 20 years. I suppose most of that has been in the "Microsoft-induced 'lazy and stupid' style" as identified by {Grant Edward}. However, I have responded to news lists and email groups previously. As I have stated, most people have been kind and helpful. Some have addressed my lack of conformance to the policies and procedures and have attempted to instruct me in a polite manner. To those I say Thank You for your understanding and attempts to help me. Some have provided answers to the initial issues I had. And as a novice to programming, I do appreciate their assistance. I have not attempted all the possible fixes yet but I will i the near future. I say Thank You to each of you. To those who responded in a much less friendly attitude, even at times coming across in a very rude manner - I really have nothing to say. You have not attempted to help resolve my initial issues and your attitudes have caused me to feel this is not a place where I can learn much. Yes, there is a lot I could learn, but some attitudes make me desire to no longer be involved in discussions. Walter