Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'classes,': 0.05; 'builtin': 0.09; 'classes.': 0.09; 'patch.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'try:': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'bool': 0.16; 'builtins': 0.16; 'range,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'slice,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:possible': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'typeerror:': 0.16; '{})': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'case.': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; '15,': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'leave': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; '"",': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'produces': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'class': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; 'except': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'acceptable': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'decided': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'believe': 0.68; 'other.': 0.75; "'range'": 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'lists:': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Jan Reedy Subject: Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:29:40 -0400 References: <516bd241$0$29872$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <516C3C44.6010706@rece.vub.ac.be> <516cb85b$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <516D8A6E.6020002@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 In-Reply-To: <516D8A6E.6020002@stoneleaf.us> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366136998 news.xs4all.nl 2580 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52090 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43696 On 4/16/2013 1:29 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/16/2013 01:25 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: >> On 16.04.13 07:46, Ian Kelly wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Terry Jan Reedy >>> wrote: >>>> I will keep the above in mind if I write or review a patch. here are 4 >>>> non-subclassable builtin classes. Two are already documented. Bool >>>> in one, >>>> forget which other. I believe it was recently decided to leave the >>>> other two >>>> as is given the absence of any practical use case. >>> >>> The four are bool, NoneType, slice and ellipsis, I believe. >> >> --> import builtins >> --> for n in dir(builtins): >> ... if type(getattr(builtins, n)) is type: >> ... try: >> ... t = type(n, (getattr(builtins, n),), {}) >> ... except TypeError as e: >> ... print(e) >> ... >> type 'bool' is not an acceptable base type >> type 'memoryview' is not an acceptable base type >> type 'range' is not an acceptable base type >> type 'slice' is not an acceptable base type > > Well that bumps our count to five then: > > --> NoneType = type(None) > --> NoneType > > --> class MoreNone(NoneType): > ... pass > ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > TypeError: type 'NoneType' is not an acceptable base type 'NoneType' is not a builtin name in builtins, which is precisely why you accessed it the way you did ;-). From issue 17279 (for 3.3): "Attached subclassable.py produces these lists: Among named builtin classes, these cannot be subclassed: bool, memoryview, range, slice, Among types classes, these can be subclassed: ModuleType, SimpleNamespace,"