Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'win32': 0.03; 'encoding': 0.05; 'encode': 0.09; 'hiding': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; "'w')": 0.16; "'w',": 0.16; 'codec': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'open()': 0.16; 'ordinal': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'skip:" 30': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'skip:( 20': 0.30; '"",': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'chase': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; '(most': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'lists.': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'skip:c 50': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'default': 0.69; '11:44': 0.84; '2014,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=2ZMqt5xMb4g3YDEXsj/+MNBPNaOUf8yNXS93KWKM2FI=; b=Qwpo1OaKeeNzfYaYupteAHB7Y2a9EHSi01dFqa1SgcOhdL7XSiSfILQsljXuJ4lEyf KGlmBzHX1TNAKeVo/8vZGhintTuJzgZiZhepgUPm6viFNtkejy+zgfYKtLtvixoY+tG3 g4+0Pt+FbuYZIEbLnRneT469DzKEkD+s0uU54LbAjX2pPLdIOU9Pyde3bDxnDsYr/sqo Kv+9tCQkk5k3RCAf/e8gpHp4lNCvUOR3NcBCDpNvhzyBMeLXb+zwn0lbuXeKhbO4njjl ibVefZF3GLw6DdtyniPKZSzZVjZ2u0qIsEeCwrpRRmT89ArC7cA9YZRQk6pIlGEMEVh9 kqJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.129.133 with SMTP id nw5mr42463618pab.98.1392253823043; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:10:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140212184432.1df9b491@bigbox.christie.dr> References: <6c76ef4e-8c7c-4199-b30d-c4d55c1061c8@googlegroups.com> <20140212161427.0a9843d5@bigbox.christie.dr> <20140212184432.1df9b491@bigbox.christie.dr> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:10:22 +1100 Subject: Re: Wait... WHAT? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392253826 news.xs4all.nl 2891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60426 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66128 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Tim Chase wrote: > Yep: > >>>> s = "\u3141" # HANGUL LETTER MIEUM >>>> f = open('test.txt', 'w') >>>> f.write("\u3141") > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\u3141' in > position 0: ordinal not in range(128) > > Just because the open() call hides the specification of how Python > should do that encoding doesn't prevent the required encoding from > happening. :-) > All it's hiding is what the default encoding is. Python 3.4.0rc1+ (default:2ba583191550, Feb 12 2014, 10:30:57) [GCC 4.7.2] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> f = open('test.txt', 'w') >>> f.write("\u3141") 1 Python 3.4.0b2 (v3.4.0b2:ba32913eb13e, Jan 5 2014, 16:23:43) [MSC v.1600 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information. >>> f = open('test.txt', 'w') >>> f.write("\u3141") Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in f.write("\u3141") File "C:\Python34\lib\encodings\cp1252.py", line 19, in encode return codecs.charmap_encode(input,self.errors,encoding_table)[0] UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u3141' in position 0: character maps to >>> f = open('test.txt', 'w', encoding='utf-8') >>> f.write("\u3141") 1 Be explicit, and you can store Unicode strings reliably. That said, though, you still can't store lists. ChrisA