Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'encoding': 0.05; 'string': 0.09; 'bytes.': 0.09; 'encode': 0.09; 'f.close()': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'objects)': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; "'w')": 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'bytes;': 0.16; 'codec': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'open()': 0.16; 'ordinal': 0.16; 'really?': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'skip': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; '"",': 0.31; 'chase': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'lists': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'recent': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'to:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:44:32 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Wait... WHAT? In-Reply-To: References: <6c76ef4e-8c7c-4199-b30d-c4d55c1061c8@googlegroups.com> <20140212161427.0a9843d5@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392252236 news.xs4all.nl 2940 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49790 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66124 On 2014-02-12 23:36, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 12/02/2014 22:14, Tim Chase wrote: > > > > To be pedantic, you can only write *bytes* to files, so you need > > to serialize your lists (or other objects) to strings and then > > encode those to bytes; or skip the string and encode your > > list/object directly to bytes. > > > > Really? > > >>> f = open('test.txt', 'w') > >>> f.write('a string') > 8 > >>> f.close() > >>> Yep: >>> s = "\u3141" # HANGUL LETTER MIEUM >>> f = open('test.txt', 'w') >>> f.write("\u3141") Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\u3141' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Just because the open() call hides the specification of how Python should do that encoding doesn't prevent the required encoding from happening. :-) -tkc