Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'context': 0.04; 'pointer': 0.05; 'though.': 0.07; 'contexts': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'computing': 0.11; '>>>': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'from:addr:behnel.de': 0.16; 'from:addr:stefan_ml': 0.16; 'from:name:stefan behnel': 0.16; 'meant': 0.18; 'tue,': 0.20; 'writes:': 0.20; 'language': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'received:84': 0.25; 'moving': 0.26; "i'm": 0.26; 'stefan': 0.29; 'ran': 0.31; 'engineering': 0.31; 'meaning': 0.31; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.32; 'screen': 0.32; 'with.': 0.33; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; 'apr': 0.38; 'used': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'word,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; '2011': 0.62; 'articles': 0.67; 'paper': 0.68; 'press': 0.71; 'news': 0.77; '(and,': 0.84; 'mouse,': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Stefan Behnel Subject: Re: Teaching Python Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:02:08 +0200 References: <1284d6a5-60e3-4575-a879-ba5014fd7763@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> <87d3kheqgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dslb-084-056-009-176.pools.arcor-ip.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110223 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 In-Reply-To: <87d3kheqgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303358550 news.xs4all.nl 81473 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:58889 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3762 Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06: > Dan Stromberg writes: > >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra wrote: >>> When you say 'hacking', you mean.... ? >> >> Presumably he meant the real meaning of the word, not what the press >> made up and ran with. > > To be fair, the press already had its own pejorative meaning of “hack” > before the engineering and computing term Not anywhere outside of the English language that I'm aware of, though. In German, it's a computing-only term that's used in both contexts by those who understand why the pointer is moving over the screen when moving the mouse, and almost exclusively in a bad context by those who write news paper articles (and, consequently, by those who innocently read them). Stefan