Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.041 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'favorable': 0.07; 'latter': 0.09; 'mailman': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'subject:Help': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; 'committee...': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'bytes': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'comments': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; 'non- profit': 0.31; 'quotes': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'quote': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'worth': 0.66; 'fonts': 0.84; 'adopt': 0.91; 'corporations': 0.91; 'edwards': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'fight': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=0Pbmpuqgjiprr/IxbzcfLruNDnAWvk7NemXfXVijbWQ=; b=KsdzfnbPJI1rNr3MEGrhDYQiXgpKSgBMZbuonLZfqgugGZoEx6DJwgPtekQFEAKySY ex1M/OX+RL1h6MYF3+M1T+MRxtVJtzsLDIrO99tz28izW4n8CT2NHrhl4kZzJKISjtIX K7tT2Ik1wRxL98KxTG/rvKg3cQPAIECpa5WESoV2xCUxaX7OkwWfu36nkHy/9pY75T9Z sEyDxNOI9oFML/0KKvg0qLfGCZR6nOaSOtTBs8KCdg44V4EaqJIRZBJKr6dUEsKNfQo5 ++uL2Y+6ZSGo/+jlEtoJCIBpTheZYPsHKSKa4rTDxfxZ32nI9vsZ64XfaE4Rsd4D4E9M Dgqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.98.3 with SMTP id ee3mr54156980pbb.31.1392240177912; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <22B9F56FF5BA4BC5B8260DE53F4709CC@dev.null> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:22:57 +1100 Subject: Re: Newcomer Help From: Chris Angelico Cc: Python-List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392240181 news.xs4all.nl 2852 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40891 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:66091 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Tim Delaney wrote: > On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I've always worked in corporations where the email "culture" is the >> Microsoft-induced "lazy and stupid" style as you describe. And yet >> when I respond with editted quotes and interleaved repies like this I >> consitently get nothing favorable comments about it. Some people have >> even asked how I do it -- though they don't seem to adopt it. > > > Yep - the problem is that you usually have to fight against the tools to do > it. It's worth the effort, but it can be really hard when you've got an > already existing top-posted email thread with people using bizarre fonts and > colours throughout. Ugh, yes. I run a mailman list for a non-profit organization's committee... some of the people on that list know about standard netiquette, but others will quote the entire thread and add a "me too" with a multi-font, multi-color signature. When the latter sort get into conversation, it's possible for emails to trip the "messages over this many bytes go to the moderator" rule... I've given up trying to explain. :| ChrisA