Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'else:': 0.03; 'subject:while': 0.07; 'typed': 0.07; 'ah,': 0.09; 'disable': 0.09; 'flush': 0.09; 'kinda': 0.09; 'none:': 0.09; 'parsing': 0.09; 'debugging': 0.13; '"while': 0.16; "'w',": 0.16; '(via': 0.16; 'buffering': 0.16; 'construct.': 0.16; 'hangs': 0.16; 'input,': 0.16; 'stdout': 0.16; 'sys.stdout': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'solution.': 0.17; 'stick': 0.18; 'otherwise,': 0.19; 'slightly': 0.19; 'seems': 0.20; 'appears': 0.20; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'away.': 0.23; 'sep': 0.23; 'changed': 0.24; 'command': 0.24; 'input': 0.24; 'fine': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; 'repeatedly': 0.28; 'thu,': 0.28; 'bit': 0.28; 'explicitly': 0.29; 'fine.': 0.29; 'looks': 0.29; 'print': 0.29; 'script': 0.29; 'turned': 0.30; 'thanks': 0.30; 'does': 0.32; 'it.': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'instead': 0.33; "i've": 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'approach.': 0.34; 'totally': 0.35; 'unless': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'response,': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'think': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'everyone': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'manually': 0.39; 'recommended': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'more': 0.60; 'your': 0.61; 'skip:o 30': 0.63; 'reply': 0.64; 'believe': 0.65; 'received:12': 0.66; 'taking': 0.66; 'account': 0.66; 'bothered': 0.68; 'works,': 0.68; 'want,': 0.71; "'1'": 0.84; 'idiomatic': 0.84; "others'": 0.84; 'print.': 0.84; 'slow.': 0.84 X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at spartan.hamla.org Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:02:54 -0400 From: Sahil Tandon User-Agent: Postbox Express 1.0.1 (Macintosh/20100705) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: idiomatic analogue of Perl's: while (<>) { ... } References: <4e5f2010$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <4e5f2010$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1314928995 news.xs4all.nl 2451 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48272 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:12600 [Thanks to everyone who responded] Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 02:56 pm Sahil Tandon wrote: >> %% >> # unbuffer STDOUT >> sys.stdout = os.fdopen(sys.stdout.fileno(), 'w', 0) > > I've never bothered with unbuffered stdout, but that looks fine to me. > > I'm not sure if it is necessary though, because print seems to automatically > flush the buffer after each line in my testing. Unless you're printing > repeatedly to the same line, I'm not sure unbuffered stdout is helpful. I found it necessary because without reopening sys.stdout with buffering explicitly turned off, I would have to manually flush the buffer after each print. This is because the program must reply (via writing to STDOUT) after parsing each line read via STDIN. If I neither disable buffering nor manually flush after each print, the program just hangs instead of printing right away. >> # process input, line-by-line, and print responses after parsing input >> while 1: >> rval = parse(raw_input()) >> if rval == None: >> print('foo') >> else: >> print('bar') >> %% > > "while True" is considered slightly more idiomatic (readable), but > otherwise, that seems fine. Ah, thanks -- I've changed '1' to 'True'. >> This works, but while reading the documentation, I thought of using 'for >> line in fileinput.input()' in lieu of 'while 1:' construct. This does >> not work when debugging the program on the command line -- the script >> appears to just hang no matter what is typed into STDIN. I believe this >> is because of some internal buffering when using fileinput. Is there a >> recommended way to disable such buffering? Am I taking a totally wrong >> approach? > > I'm not sure anything about fileinput is exactly *recommended*, it's kinda > discouraged on account of being a bit slow. See help(fileinput) at the > interactive prompt. > > For what it's worth, the default buffersize for fileinput.input is 0, so if > that doesn't do what you want, I don't think fileinput is the right > solution. Got it. Based on your and others' response, I will stick with my existing approach. -- Sahil Tandon