Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'c++,': 0.07; 'linear': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'specific.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; '4-5': 0.16; 'algebra,': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'program...': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'semantics': 0.16; 'sequential': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'statistics,': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'differ': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'spread': 0.22; 'driven': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'ones.': 0.31; 'framework': 0.33; 'classes': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'received:76': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'analysis,': 0.60; 'advanced': 0.63; 'high': 0.63; 'design,': 0.64; 'school': 0.64; 'hours': 0.66; 'college': 0.70; 'analysis': 0.75; 'day': 0.76; 'college,': 0.84; 'environment;': 0.84; 'graphical': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Python programming Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:06:24 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-26-199.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392170797 news.xs4all.nl 2865 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34656 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65982 On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:21:29 -0800 (PST), ngangsia akumbo declaimed the following: >Please i have a silly question to ask. > >How long did it take you to learn how to write programs? > Let's see... 6 months in High School to learn the rudiments of K&K BASIC... 3 months each for Intro to FORTRAN, Intro to COBOL, Advanced FORTRAN, Advanced COBOL, Assembly... 3 months for Pascal... 3 months for the System Analysis course, 3 months for the data structures&algorithms... And that was spread over four years of college, where there were other classes required (set theory, linear algebra, statistics, graph theory). C, C++, Ada (80!) were 4-5 day intensive courses that still only gave one an intro level [32-40 hours just on one language, vs the 13-week@5hours/week => 65 hours college course] Then add in OO Analysis, OO Design, etc. Learning the syntax and semantics of a single programming language is NOT learning to program... >What is the best way i can master thinker? Uhm... tkinter? That's a framework for a graphical environment; tk is not Python specific. You need to understand how event driven programs differ from sequential ones. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/