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From: Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject: Re: the stupid encoding problem to stdout
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:14:26 -0400
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On 6/9/2011 5:46 PM, Nobody wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:14:17 +0100, S=C3=A9rgio Monteiro Basto wrote:
>
>> Exactly the opposite , if python don't know the encoding should not tr=
y
>> decode to ASCII.
>
> What should it decode to, then?
>
> You can't write characters to a stream, only bytes.
>
>> I want python don't care about encoding terminal and send characters a=
s they
>> are or for a file .
>
> You can't write characters to a stream, only bytes.

Characters, representations are for people, byte representations are for =

computers.

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Terry Jan Reedy