Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'argument': 0.05; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'builtin': 0.09; 'url:releases': 0.09; 'works.': 0.09; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'url:download': 0.12; 'anyway': 0.14; 'question.': 0.14; '(functions': 0.16; 'builtins': 0.16; 'code?': 0.16; 'converted,': 0.16; 'dig': 0.16; 'there?': 0.16; 'travis': 0.16; 'url:file': 0.16; 'url:py': 0.16; 'which,': 0.16; 'write,': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'url:default': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'feb': 0.22; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.22; 'skip:i 40': 0.24; 'query': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'inspect': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'basic': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'aside': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'black': 0.61; 'url:3': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'provide': 0.64; 'relatively': 0.65; 'url:0': 0.67; 'it!': 0.67; 'url:4': 0.69; '3.4': 0.84; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.84; 'url:cpython': 0.84; 'boxes': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PTj8FFaf/illMPLScJM+v+GaZvKJTx/1z7qm1FnzL9w=; b=UyxBM7NMyDwiAYNpAE3XtTBhn8PMTG65p2rKiIIL72N4BuneVghEOiNFFhcWilULsL foRUGjLscfVvzZc7YlVb+61f+waYEcT824f+ifqRzy/uKRbvKAzi5iCsJond6Ttkn3oD nxHMxefSxuBUJJzoQDaqnG4FxowXvovfHY+U8shTKJ/hjfZwX4M9eHmYhcQf4fcNdb2A E09Oa3MNDMuUXP5v7zccWgDLjTPq8iQ6Tsa2pWLgMw4Xhmgb6nOxb24+wr7Wd95rOeHW 7bkEvGDuSDhU+cHPXA9xpsghb41VFy2Wq2uT3WBI4bwD1u4K8ZbvzNT/x879f7w3J3TN yXog== X-Received: by 10.205.104.194 with SMTP id dn2mr20154bkc.96.1392143167790; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:26:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: zachary.ware@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Zachary Ware Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:25:47 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JMOQMsL1khK0u0lfsWaoRB5OskA Subject: Re: Metaprogramming question To: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392143175 news.xs4all.nl 2972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65938 On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Travis Griggs wr= ote: > So here=E2=80=99s my basic question. Is there anyway to programatically q= uery that information in python code? > > inspect.signature(datetime.datetime.now) > > just gives a ValueError. inspect must only be good for the python code th= at I write, in python. Is there another way to dig out what the interpreter= knows there? Fixing that issue is in the works. Argument Clinic[1][2] has been added for Python 3.4 which, once all C functions have been converted, will provide signature information for all builtins (functions written in C). If you try out the Python 3.4 RC1[3], you can try inspect.signature(datetime.datetime.now) again and get the information you expect: that's one of the (unfortunately relatively few) builtins that is already converted. Aside from the Argument Clinic effort, builtin functions are pretty much black boxes to Python--hence why we're trying to fix it! --=20 Zach [1] http://docs.python.org/3.4/howto/clinic.html [2] http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Tools/clinic/clinic.py [3] http://python.org/download/releases/3.4.0/