Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'third-party': 0.04; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'newbie': 0.05; '---------': 0.07; 'develop,': 0.07; 'installed.': 0.07; 'intel': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'tkinter': 0.07; '2.3,': 0.09; 'assuming': 0.09; 'friday,': 0.09; 'inserted': 0.09; 'tcl/tk': 0.09; 'works.': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'subject:Help': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'question.': 0.14; '"new': 0.16; '>>': 0.16; '(8.5.7)': 0.16; '3.3,': 0.16; '4gb': 0.16; '8.5,': 0.16; 'assignment.': 0.16; 'disregard': 0.16; 'file"': 0.16; 'idle,': 0.16; 'idle.': 0.16; 'macs': 0.16; 'outdated': 0.16; 'processor,': 0.16; 'quit.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'file,': 0.19; 'normally': 0.19; 'version.': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; 'help.': 0.21; 'code,': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'cc:addr:gmail.com': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; 'load': 0.23; 'text.': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'order.': 0.26; 'downloaded': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'member.': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'went': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'comments': 0.31; 'reply.': 0.31; 'info.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'checked': 0.32; 'python.org': 0.32; 'supposed': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; '-----': 0.33; 'computer.': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; 'monday,': 0.33; 'older': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'totally': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; '"the': 0.34; 'core': 0.34; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; '2.6': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'installing': 0.36; 'policies': 0.36; 'programming,': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'application': 0.37; 'turn': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'email addr:python.org': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 're:': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'soon': 0.63; 'skip:6 10': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'decided': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'box,': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'email name:python-list': 0.65; 'assistance': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'reply': 0.66; 'experience.': 0.67; 'bottom': 0.67; 'close': 0.67; 'dont': 0.67; 'circle': 0.68; 'below.': 0.71; 'computers': 0.72; 'increase': 0.74; 'saw': 0.77; 'emails.': 0.78; 'actually,': 0.84; 'installer': 0.84; 'newcomer': 0.84; 'picture.': 0.84; 'replay': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84; 'utmost': 0.84; 'shell,': 0.91; 'reply,': 0.93; 'picture': 0.97 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at okbu-p04.merit.edu Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: Walter Hughey Sender: Walter Hughey To: Gisle Vanem In-Reply-To: <22B9F56FF5BA4BC5B8260DE53F4709CC@dev.null> Subject: Re: Newcomer Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7199505_1149140068.1392137393609" X-Originating-IP: [164.58.89.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.0_GA_2669 (ZimbraWebClient - GC32 (Win)/7.2.0_GA_2669) Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 249 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1392137404 news.xs4all.nl 2922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49476 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65929 ------=_Part_7199505_1149140068.1392137393609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, Gisle Vanem - I do NOT get the picture. First of all you did NOT answer my question. And this is the way I always have - and the people I typically respond to - respond to emails. Check the end - if that is where you expect me to enter any additional info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gisle Vanem" To: "Walter Hughey" Cc: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:13:44 PM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help "Walter Hughey" wrote: > Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when > I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? When replying, the most important thing to remember is... order. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Get the picture now newcomer? --gv ------ this crap came from you --------- > > > Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened > it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I > was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. > > > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rustom Mody" > To: python-list@python.org > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM > Subject: Re: Newcomer Help > > On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: >> I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the "python...@python.org a >> few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am >> supposed to be a member. >> >> >> I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would >> appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac >> list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Walter >> >> From: "Walter Hughey" >> To: python...@python.org >> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM >> Subject: Newcomer Help >> >> >> Greetings, >> I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of >> computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a >> programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. >> >> I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, >> Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version >> our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to >> create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. >> >> While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org >> 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, >> you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated >> third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like >> ActiveTcl 8.5 >> installed. >> >> I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that "The >> version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I >> open Idle, choose "New File" then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, >> cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting Idle>Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon >> as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. >> >> I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen >> this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. >> >> A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! >> > > Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. > I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you > more specific answers. > > However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that > after starting it if you type say: > 2 + 3 RETURN > you get 5 > > If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers > develop, viz > Write your code in a normal text editor > Load it into the interpreter > Check it > Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > I suppose what you mean by "top posting" is replying to an email by entering a reply at the top when according to your policies and procedures - a person should reply at the bottom of the email - like this. IF/WHEN I am on this site, I shall do my utmost best to change the way I and the people I normally work with to reply at the bottom, Assuming Gisle Vanem this is what you mean and what you want. This "newcomer" apologizes for ------ this crap came from you ---------. I hope I have not totally destroyed all of everybody's systems with my inappropriate and thoughtless disregard for the sanctity of this site. May be it be best I not reply/ask for help/or in any way be involved in this site. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > ------=_Part_7199505_1149140068.1392137393609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; colo= r: #000000'>No, Gisle Vanem - I do NOT get the picture. First of all you di= d NOT answer my question. And this is the way I always have - and the peopl= e I typically respond to - respond to emails.

Check the = end - if that is where you expect me to enter any additional info.

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From: "Gisle Vanem" <gvanem@yahoo.no>
To: "Walt= er Hughey" <wkhughey@gmail.com>
Cc: python-list@python.org<= br>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:13:44 PM
Subject: Re:= Newcomer Help

"Walter Hughey" <wkhughey@gmail.com> wrote:
=
> Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when
> I reply= should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial?

Whe= n replying, the most important thing to remember is... order.

A: Bec= ause it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why i= s it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying t= hing in e-mail?

Get the picture now newcomer?

--gv

---= --- this crap came from you ---------


>
>
> Apple= does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My co= mputer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened
> it and inserted= code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save= a copy to turn in for the assignment. I
> was not aware that a norm= al text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today.
= >
>
> Walter
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rustom Mody" <rustompmody@gmail.com>
> To: python-= list@python.org
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM
>= Subject: Re: Newcomer Help
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:= 40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote:
>> I am new to Python prog= ramming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below t= o the "python...@python.org a
>> few days ago. So far I have not = seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emai= ls although I am
>> supposed to be a member.
>>
>&= gt;
>> I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or = if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would
>> = appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or a= nswers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac
>> list becaus= e I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer.
>>
>><= br>>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Walter
>&g= t;
>> From: "Walter Hughey" <wkhu...@gmail.com>
>> = To: python...@python.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:4= 9 AM
>> Subject: Newcomer Help
>>
>>
>>= Greetings,
>> I am new at Python programming, technically a newbi= e at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of <= br>>> computers for several years and have decided to increase my kno= wledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a
>&= gt; programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use P= ython to write the code.
>>
>> I use a Mac computer and t= he first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use= is running Mac OS X 10.6.8,
>> Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB= RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Pyth= on 3.3, the version
>> our Professor recommended. I have checked = out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I= need to
>> create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Pr= ofessor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version.
= >>
>> While reading about Python, I saw comments about the n= ote concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org=
>> 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later,>> you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated
>> t= hird-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like
>> ActiveTcl 8.5
>> installed= .
>>
>> I located, downloaded and installed the recommend= ed version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that "T= he
>> version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I receiv= ed this warning both before and after installing the software above. I
= >> open Idle, choose "New File" then most often the computer will fre= eze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box,
>> c= annot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting Idle= >Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon
>> as I op= en new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit.
>>= ;
>> I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and = installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen
>&g= t; this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to g= et this working on the older version.
>>
>> A am not only= new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here = in the correct manner!
>>
>
> Hi! You have started on = a clear note and are welcome here.
> I dont know anything about macs = so hopefully someone else will give you
> more specific answers.
&= gt;
> However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, = and that
> after starting it if you type say:
> 2 + 3 RETURN> you get 5
>
> If that is the case you can still develop t= he way most python programmers
> develop, viz
> Write your code= in a normal text editor
> Load it into the interpreter
> Check= it
> Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code<= br>> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>
>

I suppose what you mean by "top posting" is replying t= o an email by entering a reply at the top when according to your policies a= nd procedures - a person should reply at the bottom of the email - like thi= s. IF/WHEN I am on this site, I shall do my utmost best to change the way I= and the people I normally work with to reply at the bottom, Assuming = Gisle Vanem this is what you mean and what you want.

This "newcomer" apolo= gizes for ------ this crap came from you ---------.

I hope I have not totally= destroyed all of everybody's systems with my inappropriate and thoughtless= disregard for the sanctity of this site. May be it be best I not reply/ask= for help/or in any way be involved in this site.
----------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------


> = --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

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