Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.083 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.09; '*is*': 0.09; 'friday,': 0.09; 'proficient': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'gui': 0.11; 'programmer': 0.11; 'tutorials': 0.15; '(given': 0.16; 'blindly': 0.16; 'peek': 0.16; 'right-click': 0.16; 'solver': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'obviously': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'mostly': 0.20; 'trying': 0.21; 'stopping': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'second': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'disabling': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'thus,': 0.29; '"the': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'designs': 0.33; 'interface,': 0.33; 'problem': 0.33; 'anyone': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'copying': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'apply': 0.39; 'release': 0.39; 'help': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'wide': 0.62; 'invest': 0.62; 'love': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'limit': 0.65; 'natural': 0.65; 'taking': 0.65; 'content,': 0.65; 'subject': 0.66; 'talking': 0.66; 'home': 0.66; 'individuals': 0.69; 'eyes': 0.69; 'discover': 0.72; ',and': 0.84; '2013': 0.84; 'copy-paste': 0.84; 'hood': 0.84; 'imagination': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'welfare': 0.84 X-Received: by 10.49.58.238 with SMTP id u14mr2543303qeq.13.1358558758852; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.196.109.94; posting-account=h3aEwQoAAACiuqX-oR3gvCVFm8lLHoWj References: <2e694a98-8a50-472e-89a0-92212a00464b@googlegroups.com> <50F96FCE.8020003@it.uu.se> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 70.196.109.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials From: Rick Johnson To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358564032 news.xs4all.nl 6844 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:37044 On Friday, January 18, 2013 11:04:39 AM UTC-6, Rik wrote: > The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do > with protecting content, and everything to do with > stopping my students from taking the lazy way out. >=20 > Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download > the designs and edit them slightly. They'd get through the > tutorials in about 25 minutes and have learnt next to > nothing. > > In talking to students about existing resources, they said > that blindly copying code didn't really help them get a > deep understanding of algorithms and how to apply them to > other problems. Well anyone who is just blindly copying code to get through a CS course is = obviously not a "natural" problem solver ,and thus, /incapable/ of becoming= a proficient programmer anyhow. Programming *IS* problem solving. If you d= on't get any thrill from the hunt, you might as well go home and watch Mont= y python until your eyes bleed or the next welfare check arrives. But don't paint with too wide a brush on the copy-paste subject matter eith= er because i have /no/ hesitation to copy paste when the code is mostly boi= lerplate required by some asinine interface, like oh I dunno, WINDOWS GUI P= ROGRAMMING!!! =E0=B2=A0_=E0=B2=A0. I am not about to invest one second /lea= rning/ much less trying to /comprehend/ why someone would create and releas= e such a gawd awful monstrosity. Natural problem solvers always love a challenge and they always like to pee= k under the hood and see what makes this or that "tick". You need no more t= han to present these people with a problem and they *WILL* discover the ans= wer (given enough time of course).=20 "The only limit to an individuals imagination is his lifespan" --rr