Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'variables': 0.07; 'overflow': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'burdens': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'finite': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:possible': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'bit': 0.19; 'cheap': 0.19; 'stack': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'community.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; 'depth': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'implemented': 0.33; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'auto': 0.38; 'from:addr:googlemail.com': 0.38; 'event.': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'opinions': 0.70; 'safe': 0.72; 'hoping': 0.75; 'introduce': 0.78; '8bit%:70': 0.91 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:path:newsgroups:date:in-reply-to:complaints-to :injection-info:nntp-posting-host:references:user-agent :x-google-web-client:x-google-ip:mime-version:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YwauiNc48MrNDb6DqkLgj6Ck9DuA8p/eOUQm81d/2M8=; b=IDKvPx5DMoMo1h16Keg4Fj98wyIJ29kcexpAlcSpfUzfvkw2I9N0MdqcKcUrfYsrzV Q8mPS9qUNGWnaP767keq1huZJpUZTL34kLijFUwnla3eQK2rF9GyOqEwFHV1mHtO3SsH dVx69vK3CU7ejrVUsyLG1qeVaLqe6oWHYINq2ZYRGQPZWHMZwlR6fY4seuXKCKAgfuMr WRJKpwTKytVI8ceanFKbK37ue+YLNaa1tKfNhGWIXyt+8bjIF1SUIJPEmhfi0V1C0r13 uUr2LGnnWS4iHsjxN8NDnplxbPisgNvr6mNnhcGhgWOrL/jAPD8zllWgLi6Wl5pIQA0j tQGw== X-Received: by 10.50.40.103 with SMTP id w7mr103877igk.11.1366095299624; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 23:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 23:54:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=123.192.32.215; posting-account=5JdMBQoAAABHnS4mjpqEzxnmWtgiiVNw References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 123.192.32.215 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages From: 88888 Dihedral To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: types-list@lists.seas.upenn.edu, Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366095967 news.xs4all.nl 2667 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33419 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43663 zipher=E6=96=BC 2013=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8815=E6=97=A5=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8= =80UTC+8=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=8811=E6=99=8248=E5=88=8605=E7=A7=92=E5=AF=AB=E9=81= =93=EF=BC=9A > Hello, >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm new to the list and hoping this might be the right place to >=20 > introduce something that has provoked a bit of an argument in my >=20 > programming community. I'll state about my opinions about the imperative and=20 non-imperative part. If the finite stack depth is used instead of the infinite one, then the auto local variables of the imperative part=20 can be implemented quite safe and cheap or at least=20 self-recoverable from a stack overflow event. This can save a lot burdens in the GC part in an imperative=20 language. =20