Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.nosignal.org!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.09; "ain't": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'student': 0.15; 'tutorials': 0.15; 'blindly': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'right-click': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'assignment': 0.22; 'stopping': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'disabling': 0.29; 'smart': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'figure': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'designs': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'thanks': 0.34; 'next': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'copying': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'apply': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'help': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'protection': 0.62; 'provide': 0.62; 'ever': 0.63; 'taking': 0.65; 'content,': 0.65; 'talking': 0.66; '2013': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'received:sd.cox.net': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: rh Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:14:28 -0800 References: <2e694a98-8a50-472e-89a0-92212a00464b@googlegroups.com> <50F96FCE.8020003@it.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-227-87-145.sb.sd.cox.net User-Agent: dsodnetnin X-Mailer: EZnn0.37p X-Newsreader: EZnn0.37p X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: EZnn0.37p Original-Received: from slem by 1.1 with local X-No-Archive: yes Archive: no X-Archive: expiry=11 X-Archive: encrypt X-Operating-System: Barebones_6.1 X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358536488 news.xs4all.nl 6879 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58837 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:37021 On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:04:39 -0800 (PST) Rik wrote: > The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do with > protecting content, and everything to do with stopping my students > from taking the lazy way out. > > Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the > designs and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in > about 25 minutes and have learnt next to nothing. None of the good teachers I ever had blamed the students for not learning. The teacher's challenge is to figure out how to get all those minds to learn. It ain't easy. > > In talking to students about existing resources, they said that > blindly copying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding > of algorithms and how to apply them to other problems. > > In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to > source code, etc, and any student smart enough to get around my > protection probably understands python basics :) Right, that's a better assignment to give them. > > Thanks for the comments. --