Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.09; 'proficient': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'student': 0.15; 'tutorials': 0.15; '12:04': 0.16; 'blindly': 0.16; 'doing,': 0.16; 'ha!': 0.16; 'naive': 0.16; 'right-click': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.20; 'received:mail-bk0-f46.google.com': 0.22; 'stopping': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'guess': 0.27; 'received:209.85.214.46': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'disabling': 0.29; 'smart': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'quickly': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'designs': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'done': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'copying': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'apply': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'help': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'protection': 0.62; 'provide': 0.62; 'become': 0.65; 'taking': 0.65; 'content,': 0.65; 'talking': 0.66; 'pleasure': 0.75; '2013': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'mood': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'joel': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=t7GH/aBMeWe3EChsLUPTLNQRWi3GaHDVO8v3WuD48rw=; b=hVgmr+V/09/31g0rHH9JUb2NeP51QZj7b5bqt+ymJX1MUwBGfhh3e9ZarQU3t1zZFr tiOcES+PhXSE1EGTUUiDp+UY7vZpJuReroetbU4Gl8R8d54iiEPB9AmIWqyrj/WwND6I YlbnfAPZiishtyL1f+prL3B2fkMWEC2aEFOzXIoOPxPWuPUAgXx/zhCl6I8/RGj4aeGU UMB1ymUkv006RFYcasDChNTwJp54W5aMsTxWUTEzCwHlSCjQqhOxiJQOHTKfKRdsRo4E gflX74xeHddKXvIXEZgptaXLXNOapcoq7q2XCbfrjq620ZS+3a7kyEE/W7dS25OwJ7QM JH/Q== X-Received: by 10.204.129.214 with SMTP id p22mr2751007bks.47.1358531081340; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:44:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2e694a98-8a50-472e-89a0-92212a00464b@googlegroups.com> <50F96FCE.8020003@it.uu.se> From: Ritchie Flick Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:44:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials To: Joel Goldstick Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6c8b285098d04d393aab1 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 128 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358531538 news.xs4all.nl 6881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42051 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:37017 --000e0cd6c8b285098d04d393aab1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Still a student myself and even if you really want to become good at what you're doing, some days one just feels lazy and in the mood for copy/pasting to get the job done quickly xD I like the site, will check it out ;) On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Joel Goldstick wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Rik wrote: > >> The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do with protecting >> content, and everything to do with stopping my students from taking the >> lazy way out. >> >> Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs >> and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 >> minutes and have learnt next to nothing. >> > > Ha Ha! that is hilarious. I haven't been a student for a while. I guess > I am naive to think that young people would be interested, and take > pleasure in becoming proficient rather than just a quick way to get a > better grade. > >> >> In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly >> copying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithms >> and how to apply them to other problems. >> >> In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source >> code, etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection >> probably understands python basics :) >> >> Thanks for the comments. >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> > > > > -- > Joel Goldstick > http://joelgoldstick.com > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > -- Ritchie Flick --000e0cd6c8b285098d04d393aab1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still a student myself and even if you really want to beco= me good at what you're doing, some days one just feels lazy and in the = mood for copy/pasting to get the job done quickly xD
I like the s= ite, will check it out ;)


On Fri,= Jan 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:



On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:04 P= M, Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason for disabling right-click has not= hing to do with protecting content, and everything to do with stopping my s= tudents from taking the lazy way out.

Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs = and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 mi= nutes and have learnt next to nothing.

Ha Ha! that is hilarious.=C2=A0 I haven't been a student for= a while.=C2=A0 I guess I am naive to think that young people would be inte= rested, and take pleasure in becoming proficient rather than just a quick w= ay to get a better grade.

In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly cop= ying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithm= s and how to apply them to other problems.

In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source code= , etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection probably un= derstands python basics :)

Thanks for the comments.
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