Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
Return-Path: <rosuav@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: python-list@python.org
Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org
X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009
X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'ugly': 0.07; 'raises': 0.09; 'toc': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'useful,': 0.14; 'clickable': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'headings': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'perfect.': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subtle.': 0.16; 'weird': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; 'select': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'copied': 0.24; 'entries': 0.24; 'section.': 0.24; 'text,': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'heading': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'piece': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'entry': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'close': 0.67; 'useful.': 0.68; 'obvious': 0.74; 'click': 0.77; '(ie': 0.84; 'ps.': 0.84; 'subject:+': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=NaXNYgNfUfTBxsfXPKdbXDHM+0YPRikCwhyoViuJgWA=; b=nCPD+PsRW1+Cjivtx2B0qmxMcTUhbu7bEbcvM77IMuKVeRUyOKd4bhctx3UEtsxc3+ YdQVUjfSoDckv7mSCBl0fi4Zn6QKdMq1HJD3zC4h7zQhCQNniDASqaeG1FkPStaxO7PD nwq2h5ZL7pSMd9xPm16DiGI1P5kuifofxmVVGbTs5+59XRz8VjR0ptnK6OnD+1p0AmQO FgYB7r2U4DL4Hj12AURjJxSZ/5dMqpxrL/9NApC2f6M4WTg8KxgQGfUKxZ8tWxCnHx17 ndgvmtL/36vSwtvMGKuTH8daBpHcdnZhjAZO5UxPzKG1RH4LGrmhrzOznvaAPZtMh6ZP bi1w==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.68.112.164 with SMTP id ir4mr3402181pbb.153.1391556917792; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:35:17 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <lcrsg9$9k1$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <be8b076d-6974-4090-bc05-e8da1376c88c@googlegroups.com> <lcokef$e9o$1@dont-email.me> <e27a8c6e-2403-402f-ac3f-ea6f31f8c8d9@googlegroups.com> <lcoon0$901$1@dont-email.me> <mailman.6369.1391468219.18130.python-list@python.org> <9aafd758-8c54-4abf-9ac4-46e970158131@googlegroups.com> <mailman.6390.1391524803.18130.python-list@python.org> <777aae72-b8f1-499a-84a5-197285847042@googlegroups.com> <lcrsg9$9k1$1@ger.gmane.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:35:17 +1100
Subject: Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN
From: Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Cc: "python-list@python.org" <python-list@python.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/>
List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org>
List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
Message-ID: <mailman.6413.1391556921.18130.python-list@python.org>
Lines: 36
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6
X-Trace: 1391556921 news.xs4all.nl 2859 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44329
X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl
Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65461

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
> PS. I agree that the pilcrow appearing and disappearing is not pretty when I
> am not looking to use it. I happen to think that is it tolerable because it
> is sometimes useful.

Yes, it's not perfect. But neither are the obvious alternatives:

* Keeping the symbol there permanently looks weird, and also raises
the question of whether or not it should be copied to the clipboard if
you select a whole pile of content. (If it is, you get an ugly bit of
junk in your text, something that now (being unclickable) has no
meaning. If it isn't, why isn't it? It's clearly part of the text!)

* Making the whole heading clickable is a bit weird in terms of UI. It
makes this text a link to itself, where it looks like it could be a
link to somewhere else. I've seen other sites where headings are all
links back to their ToC entries (ie the top of the page, or close to),
which is also weird, and the fact that it could be either means that
people won't know they can click on the heading to get a link to that
section.

* Having nothing on the section itself does work, but it means that
finding a section link requires you to go back up to the top of the
page, figure out which Contents entry is the section you want, and
click on it. That's how I get section links from a MediaWiki site (eg
Wikipedia); yes, it's workable, but it would be nicer to have the link
down at the section I'm reading.

* Putting a fixed-position piece of text showing the current section
is way too intrusive. I've seen sites with that, and I'm sure it's
useful, but I'd really prefer something a lot more subtle.

All of the above are plausible, but none is perfect. So what do you
do? You go with something imperfect and cope with a few issues.

ChrisA