Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.09; 'proficient': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'student': 0.15; 'tutorials': 0.15; '12:04': 0.16; 'blindly': 0.16; 'ha!': 0.16; 'naive': 0.16; 'right-click': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.20; 'stopping': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'guess': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'received:209.85.212': 0.28; 'disabling': 0.29; 'smart': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'designs': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'copying': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'apply': 0.39; 'help': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'protection': 0.62; 'provide': 0.62; 'taking': 0.65; 'content,': 0.65; 'talking': 0.66; 'pleasure': 0.75; '2013': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'joel': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=setc2lgxI9zcvnIOyaFn+16s8T3hm46ICA2eeqxZEWg=; b=PgwKVlMh2aYmde8nJJtfLp+PrltdHk1bzIAI/fIAK2Zn9xydLBI8sQj5iNK3K90beT rnl9Vlwag4pbyf46kgV6YLy0oqENAtiajLEnVE9oVmPfAcxZ4iFOgq+AmjyqeTjA4nQm aYAhEepblcmNr5YDmJHu0PjzcLq+MvVzoTU3wB+GSeyp5v0DO79wKA7LcrYdq9t+eM0A 2x4GXEKrKbgTA0M3GogidwNX7B85dlhDwbQyhiQl6g8nJB61cUlntBqXeZIyPoBPb4CH ii6SnY2ZiYfAWzxxbsQBC4x3Xai0V97nheFIvOJbXa3U0gY382b3kG2JWHbg+9jUFOK1 j0ng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.21.107 with SMTP id u11mr9088773vde.101.1358530471115; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <2e694a98-8a50-472e-89a0-92212a00464b@googlegroups.com> <50F96FCE.8020003@it.uu.se> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:34:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials From: Joel Goldstick Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079c0d225ba4804d39386d9 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358530474 news.xs4all.nl 6891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36049 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:37015 --20cf3079c0d225ba4804d39386d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Rik wrote: > The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do with protecting > content, and everything to do with stopping my students from taking the > lazy way out. > > Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs and > edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 minutes > and have learnt next to nothing. > Ha Ha! that is hilarious. I haven't been a student for a while. I guess I am naive to think that young people would be interested, and take pleasure in becoming proficient rather than just a quick way to get a better grade. > > In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly > copying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithms > and how to apply them to other problems. > > In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source > code, etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection > probably understands python basics :) > > Thanks for the comments. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com --20cf3079c0d225ba4804d39386d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason for disabling right-click has not= hing to do with protecting content, and everything to do with stopping my s= tudents from taking the lazy way out.

Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs = and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 mi= nutes and have learnt next to nothing.

Ha Ha! that is hilarious.=C2=A0 I haven't been a student for a whi= le.=C2=A0 I guess I am naive to think that young people would be interested= , and take pleasure in becoming proficient rather than just a quick way to = get a better grade.

In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly cop= ying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithm= s and how to apply them to other problems.

In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source code= , etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection probably un= derstands python basics :)

Thanks for the comments.
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