Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'generators': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'buggy': 0.16; 'comments:': 0.16; 'defined.': 0.16; 'entry.': 0.16; 'evaluates': 0.16; 'iterator': 0.16; 'iterators': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:generator': 0.16; 'url:py': 0.16; 'url:talks': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'later': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; '(or': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'point': 0.28; 'leave': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'url:code': 0.29; 'label': 0.30; 'skip:g 30': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'about.': 0.31; 'assert': 0.31; 'values.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; 'more,': 0.35; 'wrong': 0.37; 'feedback': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'expression': 0.60; 'url:u': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'act': 0.63; 'url:index': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'love': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'chinese': 0.74; '(better': 0.84; 'andrea': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'seldom': 0.84; 'url:master': 0.84; 'tomorrow': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: generator slides review Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 20:08:16 -0500 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1391303316 news.xs4all.nl 2896 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55634 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65246 On 2/1/2014 9:12 AM, andrea crotti wrote: > I'm giving a talk tomorrow @Fosdem about generators/iterators/iterables.. > > The slides are here (forgive the strange Chinese characters): > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3183120/talks/generators/index.html#3 > > and the code I'm using is: > https://github.com/AndreaCrotti/generators/blob/master/code/generators.py > and the tests: > https://github.com/AndreaCrotti/generators/blob/master/code/test_generators.py > > If anyone has any feedback or want to point out I'm saying something > stupid I'd love to hear it before tomorrow (or also later I might give > this talk again). Comments: The use is assert in the first slide seem bad in a couple of different respects. The use of 'gen_even' before it is defined. A generator expression evaluates (better than 'yields') to a generator, not just an iterator. The definition of 'generator' copies the wrong and confused glossary entry. Generator functions return generators, which are iterators with extra behavior. I would leave out For loop(2). The old pseudo-getitem iterator protocol is seldom explicitly used any more, in the say you showed. In 'Even numbers', I have no idea what the complication of next_even() is about. 'Lazyness drawbacks' overflow_list is bizarre and useless. overflow_gen is bizarre and buggy. If you are intentionally writing buggy code to make a point, label it as such on the slide. Iterators just produce values. Generators can consume as well as produce values, which is why they can act as both iterators and coroutines. @monocle -- Terry Jan Reedy