Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'defaults': 0.05; 'initialize': 0.05; '(using': 0.07; '__name__': 0.07; 'indicated': 0.07; '__all__': 0.09; '__file__,': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:module': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'callables': 0.16; 'differs': 0.16; 'lazily': 0.16; 'occur.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip0.t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'skip:~ 20': 0.16; 'subject:instance': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'settings': 0.20; 'work,': 0.21; 'trying': 0.22; 'default,': 0.22; 'bit': 0.23; 'module': 0.23; 'import': 0.24; 'seems': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; "i'm": 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'file': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'clear': 0.35; 'instance': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'being': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'sources': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:de': 0.40; 'even': 0.61; 'utilize': 0.61; 'more': 0.62; 'making': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'situation': 0.67; 'overcome': 0.72; 'hoping': 0.73; 'trial': 0.81; 'becker': 0.84; 'bitten': 0.84; 'correctly?': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: instance as module Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:23:09 +0200 Organization: None References: <5583E0EA.2090309@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p57bd8d4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.13.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434709413 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52370 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92876 Robin Becker wrote: > I'm trying to overcome a recursive import issue in reportlab. > > Module reportlab.rl_config uses various sources (eg ~/.reportlab_settings) > to initialize various defaults eg canvas_basefontname. If a user wants to > utilize reportlab to set up such a default, it's not possible to do so in > the settings file because a recursive import would occur. Normal defaults > are always primitive python objects eg float/int/str etc etc. > > If I make the rl_config module into an object (using the GvR blessed > approach indicated here > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2447353/getattr-on-a-module) then I can > use callables in the settings module and get them evaluated lazily which > overcomes the recursion. > > Are there any gotcha's that need to be considered when using this instance > as module approach? My trial implementation seems to work, but it's not > clear exactly how a module differs from an instance. I have set various > dunders on the instance eg __file__, __doc__, __all__ & __name__ and I > made the object a borg, but it still seems a bit hacky. Do I understand this correctly? You got bitten by a complex setup and now you are hoping to improve the situation by making it even more complex? How about reordering initialisation in such a way that the user defaults are the last thing being set?