Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'constructor': 0.09; 'creation,': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; '[1].': 0.16; '__init__,': 0.16; '__new__': 0.16; 'created.': 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'operation.': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'pickle': 0.31; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'so,': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'of:': 0.68; '8bit%:43': 0.74; '8bit%:46': 0.78 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:13:08 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: __init__ is the initialiser References: <52EC0E3C.5070900@stoneleaf.us> <20140131224507.GA5454@cskk.homeip.net> <85ob2rhfxd.fsf@benfinney.id.au> In-Reply-To: <85ob2rhfxd.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.12.184.233 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:36066 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1391214997 news.xs4all.nl 2844 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60793 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65154 On 01/31/2014 03:47 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > I would prefer it to be clear that “__init__” is called automatically, > *during* the constructor's operation. So, instead of: > > Called when the instance is created. > > I suggest: > > Called automatically by the constructor “__new__” during instance > creation, to initialise the new instance. But __new__ does not call __init__, type does [1]. -- ~Ethan~ [1] And I seem to think pickle does, too, but I'm not sure.