Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'purpose.': 0.07; 'constructor': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; '__init__,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'java': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'contract,': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'c++': 0.36; 'raising': 0.36; 'received:com.au': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'sir,': 0.81; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'points,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; '8bit%:33': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: __init__ is the initialiser Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 10:59:37 +1100 References: <858utviwgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: vmx15867.hosting24.com.au X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tyN+iBN2RX+WsJoNenpsTYGuWrk= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1391212793 news.xs4all.nl 2916 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:65152 Ned Batchelder writes: > On 1/31/14 6:05 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Here we disagree. I think the meaning “… and that returns the new > > instance” is entailed in the meaning of “constructor”. > > […] > > You say these terms already have meanings, and that constructor means > a function that returns the new instance. Then your word "constructor" > isn't the same as C++'s word "constructor"? Those don't return the > instance. Neither do Java constructors. In terms of the code > developers actually write in __init__, it looks an awful lot like a > C++ or Java constructor, and serves precisely the same purpose. These are good points, thanks for raising them. -- \ Lucifer: “Just sign the Contract, sir, and the Piano is yours.” | `\ Ray: “Sheesh! This is long! Mind if I sign it now and read it | _o__) later?” —http://www.achewood.com/ | Ben Finney