Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'output': 0.05; 'c++,': 0.07; 'finally:': 0.07; 'clause': 0.09; 'exception,': 0.09; 'reached.': 0.09; 'throws': 0.09; 'try:': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; '"w")': 0.16; 'be:': 0.16; 'called,': 0.16; 'clause.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'func():': 0.16; 'hits': 0.16; 'return,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'putting': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mind.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'void': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'figure': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'except': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'skip:o 20': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'expect': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'dave': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'happen': 0.63; '30,': 0.65; 'finally': 0.65; 'finish': 0.65; 'situation': 0.65; 'close': 0.67; 'statement,': 0.68; "'try'": 0.84; "'with'": 0.84; 'returns.': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=f1kCTVTHFxyy9w+76tSrGCjInoreiyZYOrrBVViw+T0=; b=dUqmOIPIYlcx/PEa4GWCqdj7J054HYucQ2gaXG/a4g3SCj1oPjKPI+hT4xxgyzUKjv jjpJU2AVIE81siaKuIAn/UZePYM8ShZDPlJyX0jD78HqKTuEwkFIup+mz/cXBgcYNqX4 3vBccWuwXOd9niaSsEEcwfIPR2NRzutTsHGYO8XAU4jxgzR5CAPaMUn7A+PNq3jUYTE+ wgbbLrNXhYr3iVZ4PenhG2LXTVrSwnG2ZltJx2NiNLZltytezAfcJaHnzQnMskfqd+Ph ZbMIkLpXgcELWrJraRi6Sg5STX1eAZrokICt/jcQsxi3BZnq5AI8PS6RqxXT91pdbA4S LU8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.108.194 with SMTP id hm2mr14417321pbb.22.1391086938658; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:02:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9314ac52-a2be-4382-94ef-2c291f32be1a@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 00:02:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Try-except-finally paradox From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1391086942 news.xs4all.nl 2908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55291 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64992 On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Dave Angel wrote: > The finally has to happen before any return inside the try or the > except. And once you're in the finally clause you'll finish it > before resuming the except clause. Since it has a return, that > will happen before the other returns. The one in the except block > will never get reached. > > It's the only reasonable behavior., to my mind. It's arguable that putting a return inside a finally is unreasonable behaviour, but that's up to the programmer. A finally clause can be used to do what might be done in C++ with a destructor: "no matter how this function/block exits, do this as you unwind the stack". In C++, I might open a file like this: void func() { ofstream output("output.txt"); // do a whole lot of stuff ... // at the close brace, output.~output() will be called, which will close the file } In Python, the equivalent would be: def func(): try: output = open("output.txt", "w") # do a whole lot of stuff ... finally: output.close() (Actually, the Python equivalent would be to use a 'with' clause for brevity, but 'with' uses try/finally under the covers, so it comes to the same thing.) The concept of the finally clause is: "Whether execution runs off the end, hits a return statement, or throws an exception, I need you do this before anything else happens". Having a return statement inside 'finally' as well as in 'try' is a bit of a corner case, since you're now saying "Before you finish this function and return something, I need you to return something else", which doesn't usually make sense. If you think Python's behaviour is confusing, first figure out what you would expect to happen in this situation :) ChrisA