Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'explicit': 0.07; 'think,': 0.07; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:184.172': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written,': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'looks': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'but': 0.35; 'ordered': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'form,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'short': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'experts': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'talking': 0.65; 'received:69.56': 0.68; 'qualified': 0.72 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:13:43 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Grammar question: Englisn and Python: qualified names References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.235]) [173.12.184.235]:57503 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365986108 news.xs4all.nl 2699 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43588 On 04/14/2013 02:50 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Quirky question time! > > When you read out a qualified name, eg collections.OrderedDict, do you > read the qualifier ("collections dot ordered dict"), or do you elide > it ("ordered dict")? I ask because it makes a difference to talking > about just one of them: > > ... or possibly a collections.OrderedDict... > ... or possibly an collections.OrderedDict... > > Written, the latter looks completely wrong; but if the name is read in > its short form, with the "collections" part being implicit, then "an" > is clearly correct! What do you think, experts and others? Explicit is better than implicit. ;) "collections dot ordereddict"