Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'skip:p 60': 0.07; 'pgp': 0.09; 'subject:script': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; '"here': 0.16; '-----begin': 0.16; '-----end': 0.16; 'assumptions': 0.16; 'entries.': 0.16; 'gnupg': 0.16; 'hash:': 0.16; 'hostname': 0.16; 'least.': 0.16; 'questioned': 0.16; 'sha1': 0.16; 'skip:v 60': 0.16; 'subject:send': 0.16; 'tcp': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'url:enigmail': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'comment:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'message-----': 0.19; 'pointed': 0.19; 'slightly': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'memory': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'lets': 0.24; 'skip:n 60': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'signed': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'errors': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'serve': 0.31; 'seemingly': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'skip:i 60': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'complete.': 0.36; 'disk': 0.36; 'raising': 0.36; 'version:': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'question,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'legitimate': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'guy': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'further': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'address': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'interest': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'life': 0.66; 'worth': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'notices': 0.68; 'draws': 0.84; 'posing': 0.84; 'subject:via': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91; 'joel': 0.91; 'novice': 0.91; 'probe': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HPK4aX/AR3zKZjrYVdgtw0Ty5m09klVYvOuDJ1dZI68=; b=XUoT1pgw56617QkGut2F+JrUcLpYK8CGvXMbizbrb/4WySevLezU7lCdigpxf0NvtJ iOm0JxevuU4TDhEIfNzvim+MHB3eoZ7AsQh39g05CxVuO5xRh0GXK6LUlVRCv/vpY4Pb 42N3xa0z139w4VRWMdwg8Yl184DWqLPEVuffjJb8XJNVEcXey0T1zE0Wx0+28QtIXzgV YZa4RoiGQNCzqQXV3vPruGUwD2+HoEas6+U6co1iAwfzB98jwgLQeLqFXJrKbj7T4kXv Gs0cW4EAB3HRw/FLLotOa5H2F+60jGUef9rmFJE6NHRBRV3QKfwYHYbIqmNYXCbet/fA uS1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.34.40 with SMTP id w8mr27091765vdi.7.1379418913477; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 04:55:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5238330F.2060200@modelnine.org> References: <305a2044-a13e-47f8-9cc1-9e3482424616@googlegroups.com> <52366466$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5236B356.7030308@rece.vub.ac.be> <5236BD75.5080904@rece.vub.ac.be> <5236C4B7.3070601@rece.vub.ac.be> <52379718$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5238330F.2060200@modelnine.org> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:55:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA From: Joel Goldstick To: Heiko Wundram Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfec0559d0004e692fecc Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 148 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379419352 news.xs4all.nl 15965 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46452 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54283 --20cf307cfec0559d0004e692fecc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In honour of the value of mailing lists in general lets stop this thread since once again the troll pattern repeats ad infinitum. At least if you want to add to this nonsense, read each of the (several?) dozen entries. 1. a seemingly earnest question is asked with something to do with python. The question looks like it is from an very anxious novice 2. errors are pointed out in the sloppiness of the code and as an aside, the value of code in general is questioned since it is based on assumptions that are completely muddled, misunderstood 3. people start to laugh and grouse "here we go again" 4. The troll whines back that he asked a good and question and people are being mean to him 5. He draws more people into the thread who feel bad he was maligned. 6. the thread seems to go on with some (faux) value as people probe the the basis of the discussion further 7. The troll, ignores every single bit of useful information provided that doesn't serve his interest in keeping this going by slightly altering the questions, or posing new variants, or raising hair-brain notions. In other words he is not discussion his own question, he is TROLLING to keep the thread alive. 8. Someone notices the cycle is complete. Go back for a year to every question asked by the troll who goes by Nikos or Ferrous, or 2 or three other email address (in the same thread!) and see if any of them don't follow this pattern. If you are new here and think this guy is worth your time, you are wasting everyone's time and memory space or disk space to add to these threads Ok, I won't do it again. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Heiko Wundram wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: > > I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your > > website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. > > In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will still > work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a > challenge, at the least. > > - -- > - --- Heiko. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSODMPAAoJEDMqpHf921/SC0YH/3rCWDcX+rzJKonfeJXUYNxz > nbrBPDsoZf6xPh0socOn88TrzgbZewhWf2l3dHAPOKxTAwUWjRjygatTccBmZur9 > 6B+t410Nq7axz5+0jg4OwBSOQVt3jr0YInK3vWzq4nd0V0cHchvZzfrdSmnEloDU > V3wIPhBM7MEavyuvrxhutIM8DxA/0z6L/cLhwnpHfE6AxVMeGh/dHhGK9eaxJ03C > pfPWgb2fuCRHrOd3+cLUx3ZFF6YkK00PZzICFhkx236K8iaTvBgqIsod2tpyP6+t > H9qlXCfxit1d6nEzTJavx4suBGStcbhDr1C6VlDaPjfVH+w8842h/0QLhTsMXjY= > =K/XL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com --20cf307cfec0559d0004e692fecc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In = honour of the value of mailing lists in general lets stop this thread since= once again the troll pattern repeats ad infinitum.

At least i= f you want to add to this nonsense, read each of the (several?) dozen entri= es.

1. a seemingly earnest question is asked with something to do wit= h python.=C2=A0 The question looks like it is from an very anxious novice
2. errors are pointed out in the sloppiness of the code and as an a= side, the value of code in general is questioned since it is based on assum= ptions that are completely muddled, misunderstood
3. people start to laugh and grouse "here we go again"
<= /div>4. The troll whines back that he asked a good and question and people = are being mean to him
5. He draws more people into the thread who = feel bad he was maligned.
6. the thread seems to go on with some (faux) value as people probe t= he the basis of the discussion further
7. The troll, ignores every= single bit of useful information provided that doesn't serve his inter= est in keeping this going by slightly altering the questions, or posing new= variants, or raising hair-brain notions.=C2=A0 In other words he is not di= scussion his own question, he is TROLLING to keep the thread alive.
8. Someone notices the cycle is complete.

Go back for a = year to every question asked by the troll who goes by Nikos or Ferrous, or = 2 or three other email address (in the same thread!) and see if any of them= don't follow this pattern.=C2=A0 If you are new here and think this gu= y is worth your time, you are wasting everyone's time and memory space = or disk space to add to these threads

Ok, I won't do it again.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Heiko Wundram <= modelnine@modelnine.org> wrote:
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Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
> I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reas= on for your
> website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email.

In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will stil= l
work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a
challenge, at the least.

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