Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.04; 'source,': 0.04; 'alter': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; "(i'll": 0.16; 'csv': 0.16; 'do)': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'spreadsheet.': 0.16; 'subject:tabular': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'two.': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'pointed': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; '31,': 0.24; 'align': 0.24; 'simpler': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'tables': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'compared': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'boundary': 0.31; 'overhead': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'this.': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'table': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'subject:data': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'somebody': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'embedded': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ago,': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'jul': 0.74; 'glad': 0.83; 'clearer': 0.84; 'distinguish': 0.84; 'improvement': 0.84; 'layout.': 0.84; 'moves': 0.84; 'spreadsheet': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7rI0RSCrU6e4cbAyuwZqKsH8VuD/aTthnmm4bxSZJbE=; b=LSi2xl0STwMDVqbW9N19vQkvYtdYYygj3LPjxcFLaJ1glGWT2Gm7HM3ZDIH7pI09oy PRoNNJDUCXes9emXO8/HYstqgAOE1YcvYgNScc9tOS3gGbwJ64kkPuemeg86AFb2ysd8 kGEdPAkketluW35iF8tQaXUwTkALiYsRetramGJDLqzPRbNnALvsu5900YU5v8Z0OPZ4 bWU9VVWKFm7vqWUd10ZoqE9kJ5u/D2w/E5AJfYYnSOiFVHtujh0slTqAJ5OB6N6cS8Oa FVHnkVtmw7FJY6vu4W1lBjaJJQJFDg3Da5OQed6mnfVoEIA/X4GadyrleH52dgodp000 5iog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.249.236 with SMTP id yx12mr29478141vec.25.1375318213258; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:50:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 01:50:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Editing tabular data [was: PEP8 79 char max] From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1375318215 news.xs4all.nl 15988 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:51712 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-07-31, Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> I don't understand. That just moves them to a different file -- >>> doesn't it? You've still got to deal with editing a large table of >>> data (for example when I want to add instructions to your assembler). >> >> My guess is it would be more foolproof to edit that stuff with a >> spreadsheet. > > Many years ago, I worked with somebody who used a spreadsheet like > that. I tried it and found it to be way too cumbersome. The overhead > involved of putting tables in to slew of different files and starting > up LibreOffice to edit/view them is huge compared to just editing them > with emacs in a file along with the source code. Maybe my computer is > too old/slow. Maybe it's just due to how bad I am at Excel/LibreOffice... I'm glad someone else feels that way! At work, we have a number of CSV files (at my boss's insistence; I would much rather they be either embedded in the source, or in some clearer and simpler format) which I like to manipulate in SciTE, rather than OO/LibreOffice. (I'll not distinguish those two. Far as I'm concerned, they're one product with two names.) My boss can't understand why I do this. I can't understand why he objects to having to edit code files to alter internal data. I have pointed him to [1] but to no avail. The one thing I would do, though, is align with tabs rather than spaces. That gives you an 8:1 (if you keep your tabs at eight, which I do) improvement in maintainability, because edits that don't cross a boundary don't require fiddling with the layout. [1] http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Soft_Coding.aspx ChrisA