Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Exended ASCII and code pages [was Re: for / while else doesn't make sense] Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 07:07:17 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <7D6476C4-9969-4648-AB43-4CE0C7115B9C@icloud.com> <57457c4f$0$11122$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <57461326.5040606@lucidity.plus.com> <5746AFA3.9020303@lucidity.plus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 2MTWXhjs2Xq3d3za7O9j+wP35UKYdfrz1nys1RwnfFuA== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'binary': 0.05; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.09; 'observation': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:while': 0.09; 'wed,': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; '8-bit': 0.16; '>on': 0.16; '>to': 0.16; 'alphabet...': 0.16; 'ebcdic': 0.16; 'encodings': 0.16; 'erik': 0.16; 'interchange.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; 'url:home': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'ascii': 0.22; 'stephen': 0.22; 'code,': 0.23; 'proprietary': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'ibm': 0.27; 'values': 0.28; 'coded': 0.29; 'decimal': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; '(including': 0.30; 'system,': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'point': 0.33; 'closely': 0.33; 'could': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'created': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'thought': 0.37; 'charset :us-ascii': 0.37; 'someone': 0.38; "didn't": 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'space': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'making': 0.62; 'linked': 0.63; 'subject: / ': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'card': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'american': 0.69; 'carried': 0.76; 'upper': 0.76; 'funny': 0.83; 'cobol': 0.84; 'interchange': 0.84; 'recall,': 0.84; 'subject:else': 0.84; 'subject:sense': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-73-116-84.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <7D6476C4-9969-4648-AB43-4CE0C7115B9C@icloud.com> <57457c4f$0$11122$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <57461326.5040606@lucidity.plus.com> <5746AFA3.9020303@lucidity.plus.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:109150 On Thu, 26 May 2016 09:11:15 +0100, Erik declaimed the following: >On 26/05/16 02:28, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: >> On Wed, 25 May 2016 22:03:34 +0100, Erik >> declaimed the following: >> >>> Indeed - at that time, I was working with COBOL on an IBM S/370. On that >>> system, we used EBCDIC ASCII. That was the wierdest ASCII of all ;) >>> >> It would have to be... Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code, >> as I recall, predates American Standard Code for Information Interchange. >> >> EBCDIC's 8-bit code is actually more closely linked to Hollerith card >> encodings. > >I really didn't think it would be necessary to point this out (I thought >the "" and emoji would be enough), but for the record, my >previous message was clearly a joke. > >To break it down, Stephen was making the observation that people call >all sorts of extended ASCII encodings (including proprietary things) >"ASCII". So I took it to the extreme and called something that had >nothing to do with ASCII a type of ASCII. > >As they say, if one has to explain one's jokes then they are probably >not funny ... > > :( > Well... There is enough space in EBCDIC that someone could have created a cross-over where the lower half of the space was ASCII and the upper half carried the EBCDIC alphabet... Giving two values for every alphabetic character... -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/