Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'encouraging': 0.07; 'incompatible': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'psf': 0.10; 'thread': 0.14; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'ben,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'other,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'community,': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'pass': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'words': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'diversity': 0.31; 'responded': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'approval': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'forum': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'here': 0.66; 'standing': 0.84; 'tolerate': 0.84; 'response,': 0.91; 'suffer': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Mutual respect, bullying, tolerance (was: JUST GOT HACKED) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:42:32 +1000 References: <7wioxgsl1t.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <524BBD33.1060601@rece.vub.ac.be> <524bcb71$0$2865$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XC2n+dV4v7WUKLsrRoIAkynoyAM= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1380699768 news.xs4all.nl 15946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34444 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55282 Steven D'Aprano writes: > Well that's a shame, and I think that your comment here is > incompatible with your previous approval of the PSF Diversity > Statement. We should tolerate people, but we should not tolerate their bad behaviour. The Diversity Statement includes the principle of mutual respect, which I heartily endorse. I think the behaviour exhibited for months by the originator of this thread is very unrespectful of this whole community, and that those who bait and belittle this person are also disrespectful. Neither bad behaviour excuses the other, and I find both those behaviours to be against the principles in the PSF Diversity Statement. > Ben, are you doing all you can to live up to the PSF ideals? Are you > encouraging Nikos to be a good member of this community, or just > standing idly by while others bully him? I have several times responded with unequivocal public condemnation to those who called for violence to be done against him. No mere utterance of words can justify a call for violence in response, and I want no-one to suffer that in this forum regardless how much of a nuisance they have become. > And I've called Nikos out on his retaliation too. He doesn't get a > free pass from me. I have long since consigned him to a kill-file: his unrepentantly off-topic demands are far too voluminous for me to keep up with. -- \ “Holy tintinnabulation, Batman!” —Robin | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney