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8=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=888=E6=97=B636=E5=88=8648=E7=A7=92=EF=BC=8CMichael Torrie=
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> On 02/18/2012 10:46 AM, Lie Ryan wrote:
> > Android does have a full Linux experience; what it lacks is the GNU=20
> > experience. Unlike "normal" Linux distros, Android does not use GNU=20
> > userspace, instead it have its own userspace based on bionic, toolbox,=
=20
> > and dalvik. Linux is a core part of Android's user and developer's=20
> > experience.
>=20
> The fact that RIM is porting Android to QNX would seem to contradict
> your assertion that Linux is a core part of Android's user and developer
> experience.  Have you developed for Android?  In what way do you
> interact with Linux in your apps and APIs?  Can you make system calls?
> How is Linux a core part of Android's user and developer experience?  I
> know that Android does allow some integration of native code, so that
> does meld Linux and Android somewhat.
>=20
> >From a user's pov (non-rooted), there is nothing of Linux exposed.  I
> just install apps, run them, and manipulate my files which are stored in
> my sd card.  The fact that it's in /mnt/sdcard is completely hidden, as
> are all files that support dalvik.  The OS could be Windows, iOS, or
> whatever.  It doesn't matter because the platform is not defined by the
> kernel but by the APIs that apps need to use to run on the platform,
> just like in Python!  In fact in some ways calling Android "Linux" would
> be similar to calling Java and the Sun JVM "Linux" or Python, "Linux"
> just because it happens to run atop that kernel.  I have mentioned those
> specifically because they are interpreted or virtual machines
> themselves; the "binaries" run regardless of underlying CPU type, or
> kernel type.
>=20
> In my mind, the fact that Android runs on the Linux kernel is almost
> entirely coincidental to Android's aims.  Google could have developed
> their own kernel, but of course it's much cheaper to use Linux.  And of
> course Dalvik is currently written to consume posix APIs from the kernel.
>=20
> In my mind, and in my experience with Android, Linux is irrelevant.=20

Do you have to write a touch screen device driver under=20
any mobile phone requested by your boss?

If the current one is not suitable in the=20
market entangled with law suites from other big corps,
do you have to chunk a clean implementation?


> In
> fact continuing to call Android "Linux" might just be doing ourselves a
> disservice.  In any case, saying that since it's linux, you can install
> anything you want on it, such as a JVM, is neither useful or accurate.

Check the Jython JRE lib. If it is not compatable under=20
Android's system, then there are jobs to do in the JVM
maintainer in  Androids or some revised requests for
the Jython JRE library group.=20