Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '*not*': 0.05; 'instance,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'received:verizon.net': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; 'county,': 0.09; 'hires': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'subject:was': 0.15; '"national': 0.16; '2:28': 0.16; 'artificially': 0.16; 'included.': 0.16; 'measured': 0.16; 'neat': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:usage': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'irs': 0.18; 'say,': 0.19; 'jan': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'subject:numbers': 0.23; "skip:' 10": 0.29; 'elsewhere': 0.30; 'kelly': 0.30; 'percentage': 0.30; 'url:03': 0.30; 'url:2008': 0.30; 'equivalent': 0.31; 'there': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'mostly': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'workforce': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'subject:]': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.36; 'some': 0.38; 'but,': 0.39; 'relatively': 0.39; 'goes': 0.39; 'strong': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'url:blogspot': 0.61; 'more': 0.61; 'total': 0.61; 'government': 0.64; 'us.': 0.64; 'national': 0.64; 'here': 0.64; 'country.': 0.64; 'income': 0.65; 'home': 0.66; 'special': 0.66; 'economy.': 0.67; 'us,': 0.71; 'measuring': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:16:39 -0500 References: <4F36E2F5.9000505@gmail.com> <4f37229b$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f3757cc$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1c0e800d-1196-4fcd-9eaf-4fd1788f7f74@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> <4f38c44d$0$11112$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <39962880-2073-4ed3-83b2-83fa86409b53@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-74-109-121-73.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1329556621 news.xs4all.nl 6861 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36040 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20584 On 2/18/2012 2:28 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > Here's a neat table: government spending as a percentage of GDP, by > country. > > http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html The table is for "national government spending". That means spending by the national government. The US has a lot of spending by state, county, city, school, and special districts that is not included. Total government spending in the US is about 40% of measured GDP. I *suspect* that the US has a higher percentage of non-national government spending than most other countries. For instance, government education spending is about 6% of GDP and that is mostly non-national here but, I believe, more national in some other countries. There are also issues with the denominator. In the US, if someone works at home without pay other than from a spouse, the value of the work is *not* included in GDP. If the same person goes to work elsewhere and hires someone to do the the same work around the home, that same work *is* counted. So the movement of house-spouses into the paid workforce has artificially inflated US GDP relative to, say, 50 years ago. There are also issues of measuring and including the unofficial, off-government books, 'underground' economy. That is relatively larger in many countries than in the US. I have the strong impression that the US IRS is much more diligent about ferreting out taxable income than the equivalent in many other countries. -- Terry Jan Reedy