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From: 88888 Dihedral To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1329540696 news.xs4all.nl 6982 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39574 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20581 =E5=9C=A8 2012=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=85=ADUTC+= 8=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=889=E6=97=B651=E5=88=8613=E7=A7=92=EF=BC=8CMichael Torrie= =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > On 02/16/2012 10:25 PM, 88888 Dihedral wrote: > > Android is a customized linux OS used in mobile phones. I don't think > > any linux systm has to be locked by JAVA or any JVM to run > > applications. >=20 > Getting waaayyyy off topic here, but... >=20 > I guess you aren't familiar with what Android is (which is ironic, given > that a lot of people on this list think you must be one!). Android is > not simply a customized linux distribution. It's a special application > environment (an OS in its own right) that is based on the Dalvik virtual > machine. Dalvik does depend on the Linux kernel to talk to the > hardware, but Linux very much is not a part of Android, at least from Android is a Linux OS kernal plus a virtual machine which supports GUI s= ervices and a JIT compiler in law suites charged by Oracles now.=20 A different set of shell tool to write some AP is not=20 a new OS.=20 It can be called a new IDE which supports manny services not well maintaine= d by the free linux=20 contributors in a loosely unorganized way.=20 =20 > the developers' and end users' points of view. Linux is just not a part > of the user experience at all. It is true that Dalvik can call into > native linux code, but native linux applications typically aren't a part > of the Android user experience. >=20 > Thus you can't just install any JVM on android. Thus cpython or jython > just isn't part of it. For one I don't know of any sun-compatible JVM > that has been ported to ARM. For two, there aren't any hooks into the > Android UI APIs even if you could get it running. >=20 > Android is even being ported to the QNX kernel by the Blackberry folks, > so they can have android compatibility on next-generation blackberries > that run their own native OS. >=20 > > The memory systems in mobile phones are different from PCs. This is > > the current situation in the consumer electronics sector. >=20 > I do not understand what you are saying, or at least why you are saying > this. But I don't understand most of your posts. You can use VMware like techniques to emulate another OS to support AP of different formats. This is not new at=20 all.=20 i