Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'causing': 0.04; 'cpython': 0.05; 'created,': 0.09; 'finished.': 0.09; 'identifier': 0.09; 'input,': 0.09; 'method,': 0.09; 'prevents': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; '__del__': 0.16; 'concern,': 0.16; 'deleted,': 0.16; 'identifier.': 0.16; 'leaks': 0.16; 'mutable': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'somewhere.': 0.16; 'subject:Self': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'bit': 0.19; 'finished': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; 'spread': 0.22; 'circular': 0.24; 'skip:n 60': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'class.': 0.26; 'logging': 0.26; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'record': 0.27; 'code': 0.31; 'concern.': 0.31; 'explained': 0.31; 'obscure': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'skip:c 30': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'skip:d 20': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'similar': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'tasks': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'ensure': 0.60; 'remove': 0.60; 'information,': 0.61; 'due': 0.66; 'yes': 0.68; 'frank': 0.68; 'detecting': 0.84; 'tricky': 0.84; 'worry,': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'mistakes': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: "Frank Millman" Subject: Re: Self healthcheck Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 10:56:30 +0200 References: <0d1fc1a7-c585-45ba-8c1a-0cc468712a48@googlegroups.com> <58c541ab-c6e1-45a8-b03a-8597ed7ecb48@googlegroups.com> X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.87.184.242 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.4657 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4913 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1390381001 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64487 "Asaf Las" wrote in message news:58c541ab-c6e1-45a8-b03a-8597ed7ecb48@googlegroups.com... > > Yes the question was about CPython. But i am not after CPython leaks > though detecting these would be good, but my own mistakes leading to > accumulation of data in mutable structures. > there will be few processes running python code standalone communicating > across servers and every activity will be spread over time so > i have to persistently keep record of activity and remove it later when > activity is finished. I had a similar concern. My main worry, which turned out to be well-founded, was that I would create an object as a result of some user input, but when the user had finished with it, and in theory it could be garbage-collected, in practice it would not be due to some obscure circular reference somewhere. For short-running tasks this is not a cause for concern, but for a long-running server these can build up over time and end up causing a problem. My solution was to log every time an object was created, with some self-identifying piece of information, and then log when it was deleted, with the same identifier. After running the program for a while I could then analyse the log and ensure that each creation had a corresponding deletion. The tricky bit was logging the deletion. It is a known gotcha in Python that you cannot rely on the __del__ method, and indeed it can cause a circular reference in itself which prevents the object from being garbage-collected. I found a solution somewhere which explained the use of a 'delwatcher' class. This is how it works - class MainObject: def __init__(self, identifier): self._del = delwatcher('MainObject', identifier) class delwatcher: def __init__(self, obj_type, identifier): self.obj_type = obj_type self.identifier = identifier log('{}: id={} created'.format(self.obj_type, self.identifier)) def __del__(self): log('{}: id={} deleted'.format(self.obj_type, self.identifier)) In this case calling __del__() is safe, as no reference to the main object is held. If you do find that an object is not being deleted, it is then trial-and-error to find the problem and fix it. It is probably a circular reference HTH Frank Millman