Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.134.4.91.MISMATCH!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.107 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'darwin,': 0.09; 'false,': 0.09; 'subject:was': 0.15; '(apologies': 0.16; 'evolutionary': 0.16; 'exclamation': 0.16; 'snakes': 0.16; 'subject:usage': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'australian': 0.18; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'feb': 0.22; 'subject:numbers': 0.23; 'worst': 0.23; 'defined': 0.24; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.24; 'saying': 0.26; 'explicitly': 0.29; 'victim': 0.30; 'chris': 0.30; 'version': 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'assigned': 0.32; 'tue,': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'this.': 0.33; 'calling': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'received:209.85.160': 0.36; 'subject:]': 0.36; 'science,': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'useful': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'received:209.85.160.46': 0.39; 'received:mail-pw0-f46.google.com': 0.39; 'johnson': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; "you'll": 0.61; 'received:203': 0.61; 'immediate': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'world': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'kind': 0.62; 'human': 0.62; 'individuals,': 0.67; 'subject.': 0.68; 'race': 0.77; '-0800': 0.84; 'cartoon': 0.84; 'ecological': 0.84; 'slaves': 0.84; 'swap': 0.84; 'thin': 0.84; 'underwater': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E0DcRBy+BySYFubXM+RJLdYge6TnVLbl+VndXgBoZLs=; b=bYgFECBP6/Iag5ayMuAEXYpsOyFPaO+spZFmRx2s54yuiMR35KnW7Xy776AQ6IN2a6 V1WUFtVYtY8XB7ZCvqpftHJXVMmagtFe6zAkQrjkHB7PSafCroY3hyaiBfb+/XiXe0fo RJt0oo83xsTcwzK4PNW4K5rKSdVZvSAcT6cIo= Sender: "John O'Hagan" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:56:23 +1100 From: John O'Hagan To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] In-Reply-To: <40af8461-1583-4496-9d81-d52d6905d24d@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> References: <4f37229b$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f3757cc$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1c0e800d-1196-4fcd-9eaf-4fd1788f7f74@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> <4f38c44d$0$11112$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <39962880-2073-4ed3-83b2-83fa86409b53@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4b4d07e0-f4b8-45f3-bb2a-0ec2d27e205d@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <40af8461-1583-4496-9d81-d52d6905d24d@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta5 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1329296195 news.xs4all.nl 6963 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46484 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20431 On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:26:36 -0800 (PST) Rick Johnson wrote: > On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > > But WE are the fittest! Because we are INTELLIGENT! And the whales say: But WE are the fittest! Because we are BIG! And the rabbits say: But WE are the fittest! Because we are FERTILE! And the snakes say: But WE are the fittest! Because we are VENOMOUS! (Apologies to all animals mentioned for ascribing to them gratuitous capitalisation and exclamation marks.) Please read Darwin. He explicitly defined "fittest", in the context of evolutionary science, to mean sufficiently well-adapted to immediate local conditions to be able to reproduce. There is nothing generalisable about this. Intelligence is only useful in human ecological niches; and if the world were underwater you would gladly swap it for gills. But I don't think you'll read Darwin, or any real science on the subject. You'll cling to your popular-science cartoon version of evolution because you need it to support your false, odious worldview, which finally emerges from the swamp: > > Why were Negros treated as slaves in the US? > > Because they allowed themselves to be subjected. Sad, but true. > > > Why were > > Australian Aboriginals treated like animals? > > Because they allowed them selves to be subjected. Sad, but true. > > > And the one I hinted at > > above. > > Because the Jews allowed themselves to be subjected. Sad, but true. You have just demonstrated that you are the worst kind of racist. Not only have you blamed the victim on a truly monstrous scale, you have assigned blame not to individuals, but to entire "races". You are saying that something inherent in each race caused them to "allow" their own subjugation. Calling it "sad" does not get you off the hook. Your cover was always thin but now it's blown.