Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.01; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lately': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'i\xe2\x80\x99ve': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'comp': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'travis': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; '(in': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; 'approved,': 0.31; 'argue': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'open': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'clear': 0.37; 'though,': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'course': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'teaching': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'online': 0.71; 'winner': 0.74; 'to:none': 0.92; 'wanting': 0.93; 'advertise': 0.95; 'students,': 0.95; 'taught': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8cP7ig1hEDCzqzn6zxDauald4R0ZZhsIcykmQZRDtb0=; b=T99TOxmsP0Ni7ziB66Y8Vvo0SHptOO8cd36jyN40U2fNS1vMxk3Ypa/WwTNcq8gXoX 5dDNawcbANgVNLCj8Z82/OaNHfsP3j5p25sTr4NDh7Vl+ra93U6FVZcnETh4jfjRBFj0 oe4WPd54343zkw71Kt163XdhqmYCVNCtGNjOAmSiEYVrgY2Phh8g+zUJCzC8cF8vkysT q00dDNY3Rr4T+YdUlvqcobNdVYfabypzctnjsBf5dPcOChcSNCDktmmC/hmtQZCvs31l iGPnLJMgW1ezUoc8zwU6izef1ilGYJvuiE6zl0WvRHyibTXdvzuWJVGsOtBy4M84u6nt 6Y+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.102.39 with SMTP id fl7mr26381523pab.43.1390332317498; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:25:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2B6387D4-9737-4CAE-9C4F-E39E09D74165@gmail.com> References: <3f88a958-4f3f-476c-bc9f-1b38ac0d084b@googlegroups.com> <95e6f032-cd40-483b-a649-676d9a56808a@googlegroups.com> <2B6387D4-9737-4CAE-9C4F-E39E09D74165@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:25:17 +1100 Subject: Re: Python 3.x adoption From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1390332325 news.xs4all.nl 2831 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39396 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64447 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Travis Griggs wro= te: > I=E2=80=99ve had a bunch of interns around me lately though, wanting to g= et into python, and this is where I find the momentum really breaks down. I= f newcomers go to take an online course in python, they might try MIT=E2=80= =99s Open Courseware (who doesn=E2=80=99t want to learn from the illustriou= s MIT after all?). They=E2=80=99ll be taught Python 2, not 3. > Courses are inherently laggy. I don't know how long it takes to write a course, get it approved, and then advertise it so you get some students, but I suspect it's a good while. I'd say that it's only since 3.3 (some would argue 3.2, others 3.4) that Py3 has been the clear winner in the new-application debate; give it a few more years before courses start teaching Py3. Of course, anyone who comes to a rapid communication venue like python-list can learn the state of the art (in the original sense), but if you want a degree in Comp Sci and you have to take X courses to get it, chances are you'll learn Py2 along the way. ChrisA