Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'exception': 0.03; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'paths': 0.05; 'apps,': 0.07; 'dev': 0.07; 'skip:/ 10': 0.07; 'agree,': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'django': 0.10; 'programmer': 0.11; 'subject:error': 0.11; 'library': 0.15; 'cases': 0.15; 'essential': 0.15; '10:59': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'exceptions.': 0.16; 'folder,': 0.16; 'folder.': 0.16; 'ignores': 0.16; 'partly': 0.16; 'paths.': 0.16; 'shortened.': 0.16; 'subject:too': 0.16; 'developers,': 0.16; 'users.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'code,': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'developer': 0.19; 'ideal': 0.20; 'skip:" 30': 0.20; 'finally,': 0.22; 'wednesday,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'errors': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'common': 0.26; 'supported': 0.26; '[1]': 0.27; 'library.': 0.27; 'actual': 0.28; 'case,': 0.29; 'folder': 0.30; 'point': 0.31; 'server.': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'johnson': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'comments': 0.33; 'point,': 0.33; 'likely': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'server': 0.35; 'exist': 0.35; 'path': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'itself': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'comment': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'where': 0.40; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'home': 0.66; 'lives': 0.71; '"big': 0.84; '2013': 0.84; '_if_': 0.84; 'am.': 0.91; 'rick': 0.91; 'skip:/ 30': 0.91 X-Received: by 10.49.116.34 with SMTP id jt2mr402740qeb.38.1358353884988; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:31:24 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:31:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.196.117.92; posting-account=h3aEwQoAAACiuqX-oR3gvCVFm8lLHoWj References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 70.196.117.92 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PyWart: Exception error paths far too verbose From: Rick Johnson To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358354535 news.xs4all.nl 6917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59994 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36905 On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:20:12 AM UTC-6, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/15/2013 10:59 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > > Why do i need to see "C:\users\user\documents\python\lib" EVERY time? > > You're thinking about things from a very windows-centric point of view. How are file paths or directories a windows _only_ point of view. Last time i checked, the other "big two" supported such features. > There are many cases where as a developer I need to see the full paths. Yes i agree, but not if those files exist in you dev library. > My modules are not always going to be in a common subfolder. Well they should be, however, there are a few valid exceptions. > Django > apps, for example, live in an arbitrary folder, in my case, > /var/www/apps on my web server. And a web server would be a valid exception -- granted that the web sever is NOT your actual library folder, if it were the path could be shortened. > Sometimes they live in my home projects > folder. Django itself lives partly in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages > and partly in /usr/share/django. Granted most of my errors are going to > happen in my own code, which is in /var/www/apps/blah. But occasionally > I might uncover a django bug (less likely of course). Seeing the full > path is essential for me. And under my plan you WILL see the whole path _IF_ the django folder is NOT your "registered"[1] lib folder. > As well, runtime errors get logged as the > system is serving, and they could come from any of my apps, depending on > how bad a programmer I am. > > Finally, in an ideal world, all runtime errors should be trapped by the > program. The end user should never see them. Who said anything about end users? My comments are for developer ears only. > Traces are for developers, not users. This comment ignores the main point, but i agree. [1] Whether a dev must register a lib folder or use a predetermined folder is yet to be decided.