Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'output': 0.05; 'subject:code': 0.07; '"please': 0.09; 'kumar': 0.09; 'means,': 0.09; 'output,': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'language,': 0.12; 'posted': 0.15; 'assignment.': 0.16; 'googling': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'it),': 0.16; 'subject:post': 0.16; '(you': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'help.': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'error': 0.23; 'helpful': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'nature': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'requests': 0.31; '"please': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'etc': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'help,': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'subject:Can': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'strictly': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; "you've": 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'decided': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; '20,': 0.68; 'hints': 0.68; 'truth': 0.81; 'actually,': 0.84; 'homework': 0.84; 'understand,': 0.84; 'working,': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WcOnXpyYeWyufb4Ppt/+kg1mtODz+0mnh4a2RBbWqnc=; b=ImpN5dS+nPO1CqxdtJ8c9mIuIh1bLNmB1iB6PA1kjEJU8dq3lJm7OZRrBfM349VHCl LD7NiYA7ny/hhFzBj3xKYnOeIYZWZ6l0iK8bpxNirsFneli5vNWbUu4SYoGu+sSme5S3 n49lBH8A5EGIB7VJuiYsidJo21c3XfCWJFPoNAWOSs/ZX9Mif1LlZ1aONB4SNcFy3ABQ SbCFYRRe1octhx9OREdrMJVO+irgR5UwSTx5W5rTm9Gc4IEIbfVZ5JMc+xi/YJFILgHf Q6IEi0/F4tbmWncEbPN/P1zQ+hvpWIiM6rDmEq8uUxc6wcOBkd+SuZcD/kDvvD7KSCla VPIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.78.141 with SMTP id b13mr13034775wjx.32.1390209594399; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 01:19:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <52db7142$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <662f9a05-e3d3-448f-836b-beb12132d43f@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:19:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism From: bryan rasmussen To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcfc8209a0d704f06365b6 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 119 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1390209602 news.xs4all.nl 2858 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46426 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64350 --047d7bfcfc8209a0d704f06365b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >When you take a course, you should be learning, not just passing. That >means that getting someone else to do your work for you is completely >wrong, so I won't help you. I have decided to become an MBA. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:55 PM, indar kumar > wrote: > > Actually, I tried to ask some questions but I was discouraged to do so > saying that I was working on a project or some assignment. Truth be told I > am stuck at one point and since I don't have experience with programming > language, I have been working for it for two days but couldn't come up with > some idea so posted some questions of the same format just to know whether > there is particular method etc to do so. Hint would have been enough but I > was strictly discouraged. > > > > Here's my policy on homework. Others may vary, but you'll find a lot > will be broadly similar. > > When you take a course, you should be learning, not just passing. That > means that getting someone else to do your work for you is completely > wrong, so I won't help you. But if you've put down some code and it's > not working, then by all means, ask for help with the details; it's > easy if you have an error message you don't understand (you might be > able to get that by Googling it), but a lot harder if you're getting > output you don't understand, and then it can help a LOT to have an > expert look at your code. You would need to post your code and exactly > what you're seeing as wrong (exception traceback, or "expected this > output, got this instead"); and if you make it clear up-front that > it's homework and you're looking for hints rather than an > answer-on-a-plate, I'm happy to help. > > What you will find, though, is that most requests are more of the > nature of "please do my homework for me", so people are more likely to > be annoyed than helpful when they see what's obviously homework. So > you have a bit of an uphill battle just to get heard. But if you can > show that you're here to learn - and showing that you've already > written most of the code is a good way to do that - you can get help, > and often a lot of it. > > ChrisA > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > --047d7bfcfc8209a0d704f06365b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>When you take a course, you should be learni= ng, not just passing. That
>means that getting someone else to do your work for you is completely >wrong, so I won't help you.

I have decided to become a= n MBA.



On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail= .com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:= 55 PM, indar kumar <indarkumar= 59@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I tried to ask some questions but I was discouraged to do so= saying that I was working on a project or some assignment. Truth be told I= am stuck at one point and since I don't have experience with programmi= ng language, I have been working for it for two days but couldn't come = up with some idea so posted some questions of the same format just to know = whether there is particular method etc to do so. Hint would have been enoug= h but I was strictly discouraged.
>

Here's my policy on homework. Others may vary, but you'll fin= d a lot
will be broadly similar.

When you take a course, you should be learning, not just passing. That
means that getting someone else to do your work for you is completely
wrong, so I won't help you. But if you've put down some code and it= 's
not working, then by all means, ask for help with the details; it's
easy if you have an error message you don't understand (you might be able to get that by Googling it), but a lot harder if you're getting output you don't understand, and then it can help a LOT to have an
expert look at your code. You would need to post your code and exactly
what you're seeing as wrong (exception traceback, or "expected thi= s
output, got this instead"); and if you make it clear up-front that
it's homework and you're looking for hints rather than an
answer-on-a-plate, I'm happy to help.

What you will find, though, is that most requests are more of the
nature of "please do my homework for me", so people are more like= ly to
be annoyed than helpful when they see what's obviously homework. So
you have a bit of an uphill battle just to get heard. But if you can
show that you're here to learn - and showing that you've already written most of the code is a good way to do that - you can get help,
and often a lot of it.

ChrisA
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