Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'api': 0.11; 'am,': 0.13; 'things.': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'beginning.': 0.16; 'both.': 0.16; "doesn't.": 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'glue': 0.16; 'overly': 0.16; 'patch.': 0.16; 'rantingrick': 0.16; 'replaces': 0.16; 'protocol': 0.16; 'programming': 0.18; 'example.': 0.19; 'onto': 0.19; 'received:74.125.82.44': 0.19; 'received:mail-ww0-f44.google.com': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'restrict': 0.23; 'code': 0.24; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'universal': 0.29; 'layers': 0.30; 'sun,': 0.30; 'rather': 0.33; 'it.': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'there': 0.34; 'however,': 0.34; 'some': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'patch': 0.38; 'client': 0.39; 'received:74.125.82': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; "there's": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:74.125': 0.40; 'results': 0.62; 'our': 0.63; 'subject:!': 0.67; 'subject:The': 0.73; 'suffer': 0.84; 'understand?': 0.84; 'penalty': 0.91; 'subject:come': 0.91; 'complexity': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MKCBZqvX0GAtYRtzt5v9kFeZ1A9o/McaXiGuIIwvnLk=; b=fXMjorm3191SnHyitxiAzcOJ887TiH+kU7o6Isju8ey1OmthcXT27Ap+Dnzni20pcf ZXkGvzXarOZSIbcbyyvYHN+FFeZgtIbq2DCxMNVvqm8RmfuZoKuDbxBpSRfQ0lk+68qo 5vVPtXjla2DV0qOVlr8UhLifXxZ93CGFzTD7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41f31477-48ee-4a8a-ab2d-87073a918996@r18g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> References: <1bf8cf87-b173-470a-a05e-a65616c988a0@d22g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <41f31477-48ee-4a8a-ab2d-87073a918996@r18g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:12:27 +1000 Subject: Re: The end to all language wars and the great unity API to come! From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1309655550 news.xs4all.nl 21866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:8702 On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:58 AM, rantingrick wrote: > > Take Pidgin[1] as an example. Pidgin is a universal chat client. It's > a glue between the many chat clients that exist... It's a monkey patch > for chat multiplicity but you get the idea. However the Unity API > cannot be a monkey patch. It must be a mutual undertaking from the > beginning. Don't you people understand? Multiplicity is undermining > our future evolution. It's protocol glue, not programming code glue. There's a difference; Pidgin replaces "chat client X", rather than piggybacking onto it. Proliferation of code layers results in a performance penalty that proliferation of chat clients doesn't. However, there is still a parallel. Any universal protocol will suffer either from complexity or narrowness - some suffer from both. If every API has to go through this Unity API, then either Unity will be as powerful and complex as C with all its libraries, or it'll overly restrict things. That's why Unity is really just C. ChrisA