Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'instance,': 0.05; 'suppose': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'pretend': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'back-end': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'utf-8': 0.09; 'ascii,': 0.16; 'broader': 0.16; 'subject:usage': 0.16; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.20; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.21; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'assume': 0.22; 'feb': 0.22; '(on': 0.23; 'subject:numbers': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.25; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'cc:2**0': 0.26; 'work.': 0.27; 'work,': 0.28; "i'm": 0.28; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.29; 'unicode': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'pm,': 0.29; 'sun,': 0.30; 'chris': 0.30; 'least': 0.30; 'thread': 0.32; "isn't": 0.33; 'too': 0.33; 'causing': 0.34; 'eric': 0.34; 'however,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.214': 0.36; 'issue': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'could': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.39; 'more': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'browser': 0.62; 'customer': 0.65; '11,': 0.68; 'database.': 0.74; '12:21': 0.84; 'snow': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=USMIYmN4ZNwgkSbAXOV+07OWyJs9FenZrIKfkfQRX/4=; b=UbutmBBdsi4S1TOrPgQ+7ZeIBsM4PYMvgXxaM4P4WpQnlHqWhx9vQV1zMyS543gPD1 evP7F8dAEwYVWOG0a6F0jwF9MWUeJdbEU/VUyPBAPc18wwOuagcnhpRJtIlOkcxhQzsL SnkQvpXMp2z0APSLULbjFM2Fdd1XUW0FPAYNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F36E2F5.9000505@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:38:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Python usage numbers From: Eric Snow To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1329010735 news.xs4all.nl 6855 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20243 On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Eric Snow wrote: >> However, in at >> least one current thread (on python-ideas) and at a variety of times >> in the past, _some_ people have found Unicode in Python 3 to make more >> work. > > If Unicode in Python is causing you more work, isn't it most likely > that the issue would have come up anyway? For instance, suppose you > have a web form and you accept customer names, which you then store in > a database. You could assume that the browser submits it in UTF-8 and > that your database back-end can accept UTF-8, and then pretend that > it's all ASCII, but if you then want to upper-case the name for a > heading, somewhere you're going to needto deal with Unicode; and when > your programming language has facilities like str.upper(), that's > going to make it easier, not later. Sure, the simple case is easier if > you pretend it's all ASCII, but it's still better to have language > facilities. Yeah, that's how I see it too. However, my sample size is much too small to have any sense of the broader Python 3 experience. That's what I'm going for with those Python usage statistics (if it's even feasible). -eric