Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'great.': 0.07; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'wed,': 0.15; '>in': 0.16; 'brave,': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'received:89.233': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217.133': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'tool.': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'tests': 0.18; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.21; 'advocate': 0.22; 'either.': 0.22; 'pass': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.23; '2015': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; '-0700,': 0.29; 'received:se': 0.29; 'supposed': 0.31; 'true.': 0.33; 'url:code': 0.34; 'that,': 0.34; 'but': 0.36; 'tool': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; "didn't": 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.37; 'thank': 0.39; 'back': 0.61; 'even': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'great': 0.64; 'person.': 0.70; 'enjoy': 0.70; 'received:89': 0.80; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'subject:Classic': 0.84; 'convinced': 0.93; 'deal,': 0.93; 'man.': 0.93; 'baby': 0.95 To: Ned Batchelder cc: python-list@python.org From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Classic OOP in Python In-Reply-To: Message from Ned Batchelder of "Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:14:34 -0700." <49f789cf-cb67-4812-8a91-218a4f049958@googlegroups.com> References: <23b2fae3-91d5-486b-9898-78b34bee486f@googlegroups.com> <16dc8c92-50e3-4fc8-ae25-cbc5b13e8971@googlegroups.com> <87eglaqdca.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net><49f789cf-cb67-4812-8a91-218a4f049958@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2275.1434580391.1@fido> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:33:11 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [89.233.217.130]); Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:33:15 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434580406 news.xs4all.nl 2825 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40334 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.stben.net!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92788 In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:14:34 -0700, Ned Batchelder writes: >The true TDD acolytes advocate a very idiosyncratic workflow, it's true. >I don't do this, but I also don't consider myself a TDD person. I value >tests a great deal, and put a lot of effort into them, but I don't write >trivial functions to get my tests to pass and then go back to change them. Grrr. I am a true TDD acolyte. And I don't do that either. >But people whose opinion I value do advocate that, and it's possible that >in time I will understand their methods and use them myself. Stranger >things have happened... > >--Ned. Seriously? Oh you humble man. I have convinced a huge number of people who used to have that sort of dogma that the reason they advocated such baby steps is that they didn't have a good coverage tool. ***grin*** TDD is supposed to make you brave, not cowards, and it's Ned's most excellent tool http://nedbatchelder.com/code/coverage/ that I recommend to TDD dogmatic cowards. Even if you don't want to use TTD, you will enjoy Ned's tool. It's GREAT. Thank you, Ned. Laura